Enemy "Control Measures" symbols do not appear on TSD map

[kato217]

 

EDIT: This is not a bug - solution is noted below in post by frostycab below.

Leaving post here in case anyone else runs into the same issue.

Issue:

"Enemy Control Measures" entered on to the TSD map through the Keyboard Unit do not have their associated symbols show up on the TSD map.

Explanation:

For reference, all other "Ident" types on the abbreviations list i.e. "Waypoints", "Hazards", "General Control Measures", "Friendly Control Measures", and "Preplanned Targets/Threats" do have their associated symbols appear on the map as intended when entered by the Keyboard Unit.

To enter symbols onto the TSD map, the following information is required, and is entered via the Keyboard Unit - Type, Ident, Free, MGRS, and Altitude. The result puts associated symbols on the TSD map - see pic below:

However, while entries such as "Friendly Armor" and "Preplanned targets" do show up as seen above with the blue and red symbols, "Enemy Control Measures" symbols do not appear on the map after their data has been entered. Specifically, referring to the MFD Abbreviations list, none of the "Enemy Control Measures" listed from "Air Assault Enemy" (ES) through "Unit ID Enemy" (EU) symbols show up on the TSD map. This issue applies to both MFDs in the pilot cockpit and both MFDs in the CPG cockpit. See pics below for list of those symbols not appearing on TSD map:

"Enemy Control Measures"  that have been entered do show up as they should in the "CTRLM sub-page" list as you would expect, but no symbols show on the TSD map.

To replicate issue see video posted below, or use the following instructions:

1) From DCS Main menu, select "Mission"

2) Select the AH-64D module

3) Select "AH-64D RED FLAG - Day 3" mission (Note: It is not necessary to use this mission to recreate the issue, as the issue exists even if you just create a new mission with an Apache on its own - however for convenience, this mission has a kneeboard with ready-made MGRS coordinates to enter into the Keyboard Unit).

4) Start the mission

5) In the Apache Pilot seat - turn on the battery, lift the APU switch cover, and start the APU (click the button) - wait for the MFD screens to turn on.

6) Bring up the kneeboard (R-Shift - K)

7) Turn back 6 pages on the kneeboard with the " [ " key until you get to page called "Red Flag 5-16, TSD Data Card, Enemy Units / Threats".

8 ) On one of the MFDs, select the TSD push button (button left corner of MFD)

9) To show what is supposed to happen when the data is entered, referring to the kneeboard card, input the SA-11 SAM battery symbol as follows:

a) Click MFD button B6 "Point"

b) Click button L2 "Add"

c) Click L6 "TG"

d) Click L1 "Ident>" TG

e) On the Keypad unit (KU) after the word "Ident" type "11" then click the "Enter" button

f) On the Keypad unit (KU) after the word "Free" type "SAM" then click the "Enter" button

g) On the Keypad unit (KU) after the words "UTM LAT/LONG:" make sure the first 3 characters are "11S", then using the back arrow to put the cursor in the right place, overwrite the "PB" with the letters "NB" to match the kneeboard reference.

h) After the NB, type the coordinates for the SA-11 site from the kneeboard "7430 8069" - the entry on the keypad should now look like this: UTM LAT/LONG: 11SNB74308069 (with no spaces) - once correct, click the "Enter" button on the KU.

i) Check the altitude on the KU now reads 5717 - if so, click the "Enter" button on the KU.

The map is showing the current position of the aircraft, and the map in is "Nav" mode. To see the SA-11 symbol on the map...

i) Change the scale of the map from 15 to 25 by clicking button R1

ii) Click MFD button B2 to change mode to "ATK"

iii) Click button T2 to select "PAN"

iv) Use the cursor to scroll the map up (in the direction of the tail of the helicopter symbol, so that the helicopter symbol disappears off the top of the map) until you see a red symbol - this is the SA-11 site you just entered.

It should look like this:

To show the issue, input the data for the Enemy Control Measure AE (Enemy Armor) T72 & BMP Co 1 from the kneeboard list. This is an Enemy Control Measure, and the symbol will not show on the map, as follows...

1) Click MFD button B6 "Point"

2) Click L2 "Add"

3) Click L5 "CM"

4) Click L1 "Ident" CP

5) On the KU, after "Ident"  type "AE" (Enemy Control Measure) then "Enter"

6) On the KU, after "Free"  type "1"

7) On the KU, enter the coordinates from the kneeboard so they read UTM LAT/LONG: 11SNB75868022 then "Enter"

8 ) Confirm the altitude matches the kneeboard (it might be off by 1 foot), and press "Enter"

9) The enemy tank symbol (see below) should appear near the SA-11 symbol, but it is nowhere  on the map

Video of how to replicate the issue:

Track showing that entering this info does not put an Enemy Control Measure symbol on the map:

AH-64_Enemy_Control_measure_Bug.trk

 

Thanks!

Edited April 11, 2022 by kato217
Solution found

[frostycab]

Have you gone into the SHOW pages and enabled the relevant displays? Certain point types aren't switched on by default.

TSD - SHOW(T3) - COORD SHOW(T6) - Enable ENEMY UNITS(L5) and PLANNED TGTS/THREATS(L6).

Do this for both map phases if desired.

(Very good in-depth report though )

Edited April 11, 2022 by frostycab

[kato217]

2 hours ago, frostycab said:

Have you gone into the SHOW pages and enabled the relevant displays? Certain point types aren't switched on by default.

TSD - SHOW(T3) - COORD SHOW(T6) - Enable ENEMY UNITS(L5) and PLANNED TGTS/THREATS(L6).

Do this for both map phases if desired.

(Very good in-depth report though )

 

Ah - thanks for pointing that out - that was it. Not a bug after all!

As you said, I needed to go to the COOD SHOW page and turn on ENEMY UNITS

Much appreciated - I will edit my original post.