Hover Hold Bug in Instant Action?

For some reason, I cannot hover properly on Instant Action. Once I set up the hover, I eventually start sliding forward, backward, or sideways and gain speed. However, when I play single mission from cold start, I can hover no problem. Is there a bug with hover in Instant action? Anyone successfully hover in instant action for long periods?

 

System:

Intel Dual Core - 3.2 Ghz

Asus P5N32-E SLI

Nvidia 8800 GTX

Wingman - Strike Force 3D FF

Track IR PRO

2 Gigs RAM

Win XP Professional

United States Version of DCS: BS

Logitech G5 Gaming Mouse

Logitech G15 Gaming Keyboard

SB X-Fi Extreme Gamer

 

All drivers latest.

 

Thank you.

[ZaltysZ]

When you start in the air (like in instant action), your Ka-50 is trimmed for forward flight. Retrim for hover before turning hover mode on.

When you start in the air (like in instant action), your Ka-50 is trimmed for forward flight. Retrim for hover before turning hover mode on.

 

In the cold start mission, I don't even have to trim to hover. If I slow down to near zero velocity then hit hover on, it automatically slows down to zero velocity for me and puts me in a perfect hover. In instant action, I am hitting trim reset at the start of the mission so the forward flight trim should have no bearing on the problem I see.

 

So you're able to hover hold without issues in instant action?

[ZaltysZ]

Yes. Reset timmer, slow down to zero speed and turn hover mode on. There is 2 modes of altitude hold (switch near AP channel buttons): barometric and radar. Radar mode is good for terrain following, but bad for hovering over a place, which isn't parallel to horizon. Ka-50 will be unsteady, if you try to hover over something like steep slope of mountain with radar altitude mode on, because little drift will induce change in altitude (from ground) and Ka-50 will try to compensate and sometimes to overcompensate...

Edited December 19, 2008 by ZaltysZ

that's what I'm saying is not working for me in instant action. It only works in cold starts for some reason beyond my understanding.

[ZaltysZ]

Press Ctrl+Enter, check if cyclic symbol is in neutral position (where lines cross) after trimmer reset. Also check if AP channels are on, and Flight Director is off.

Thakns ZaltyZ. I'll try the ctrl+enter. Yes, all AP are on and FD is off.

I just confirmed it with ctrl-enter.

 

In instant action, the cyclic DOES NOT return to neutral when hitting trimmer reset.

 

However, in a cold-start mission, the cyclic goes to center when trimmer reset is pressed.

 

So, is there some other setting that needs to be set before trimmer reset will work? I find it odd that trimmer reset does not work in instant action.

[ZaltysZ]

Doesn't it return to neutral position only or doesn't react to trimmer reset at all? It might be joystick problem. My X52 frequently shifts center of Y axis and I have to reset it by unplugging cable.

in instant action, it does reset but doesn't reset to neutral. If it's a joystick problem, why doesn't it happen on cold start missions? In cold start missions, the reset resets it to neutral.

 

I hope ED can comment on this. It looks like a bug with instant action with certain joysticks? I'm using a Wingman Strikeforce 3D Force Feedback. I bet this is the reason so many folks in this forum are reporting trim and hover problems.

 

Thanks ED for looking into this.

 

Regards,

[ZaltysZ]

I think it is related to FFB thing; maybe there is problem with mapping virtual to physical center. Seek attention from ED.

 

Meanwhile, don't use reset button, retrim to neutral manually. After all, Ka-50 doesn't have such button in reality.

When you start in the air (like in instant action), your Ka-50 is trimmed for forward flight. Retrim for hover before turning hover mode on.

 

I was thinking, is there a way to edit the instant action mission so that it starts at neutral trim instead of forward flight trim? That would fix the problem I think but I don't know how to use the editor to do this.

[ZaltysZ]

I was thinking' date=' is there a way to edit the instant action mission so that it starts at neutral trim instead of forward flight trim? That would fix the problem I think but I don't know how to use the editor to do this.[/quote']

 

I don't think you will want the effects :D. Helicopter, with large forward speed, pitches up violently if cyclic isn't held in forward position. That is why Ka-50 is auto trimmed according to its waypoint's speed. Well, you can workaround your problem by opening \Ka-50\Missions\QuickStart\Ka-50.miz and setting speed of first waypoint to 0 km/h.

will try it. Thanks!

I set the waypoint 1 speed to 0 km/h and it sort of works but there is still a problem. With this change, the helicopter is hovering when I start Instant Action and ctrl-enter shows the trim in neutral position. However, as soon as I hit clear trim, the marker ends up forward of neutral position. So for some reason, in Instant Action, the neutral position is not centerer around where the two lines cross but a bit forward of it.

 

Thanks for your help ZaltysZ. At least you helped me confirm that this seems to be a bug with Instant Action with certain joysticks (perhaps forcefeedback joystics as you said).

 

I hope Wag and ED Team can take a look at this. I still believe this must be the reason many people are reporting trim and hover problems.

 

Thanks.

WORKAROUND FOUND. Hovering and Trimming is now a BREEZE!

 

This is definately a bug with FF joysticks and I found plenty of threads on it for Flaming Cliffs. It looks like with Force Feedback enabled, reset trim does not go to neutral for BS in Instant Action. The workaround is the following:

 

The Fix\Work Around:

Disable Force Feedback in the Producer.cfg file.

 

Find it here:

C:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\Ka-50\Config

 

What to do:

Change the TRUE flag to FALSE

[BobBreton]

WORKAROUND FOUND. Hovering and Trimming is now a BREEZE!

 

This is definately a bug with FF joysticks and I found plenty of threads on it for Flaming Cliffs. It looks like with Force Feedback enabled, reset trim does not go to neutral for BS in Instant Action. The workaround is the following:

 

The Fix\Work Around:

Disable Force Feedback in the Producer.cfg file.

 

Find it here:

C:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\Ka-50\Config

 

What to do:

Change the TRUE flag to FALSE

 

Thank you so much. I had the same problem, I was unable to auto hover still, the chopper was always moving backwards at speeds up to 20 km/h sometimes. The slowest it would move backwards was 2-3 kp/h.

 

I installed the game for the first time about a week ago and it was auto-hovering fine until a two days ago. It looks like the problem started after I edited my axis settings in the options menu. Since then it would move backward when auto-hovering but it would also be very hard to trim for the pitch. The bank and yaw would trim normally but the pitch would be jumpy as hell and I had to keep the stick always pushed forward or it would start a very steep climb.

 

Now that I edited the file as you suggested it's so easy to fly compared to what is was before.

 

Gotta hate FFB sometimes I guess lol