Option for Server Administrators to disable VR and other in-cockpit Zoom functions.

[SharpeXB]

3 minutes ago, Cab said:

Visual acuity in-game doesn't come close to real life, so maybe the answer here is not to eliminate zoom on command but rather to reduce it.

Chuck Yeager reportedly had 20/10 vision. ED could simulate that instead.

Well the only way to simulate 20/20 or 20/10 vision on a monitor is to magnify the image ie zoom since you can’t increase the pixels. Imagine trying to read an eye chart in the game using a 1080p screen and how much zoom you’d need. My guess is the game already approximates that more or less. 

[Tippis]

46 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

It means exactly what it says. When looking at a 3D 1st person sim, it means the angular size of what you see on the screen matches the size you’d see IRL as if you were just looking through the screen like a window.

And that is not really the case in VR any more than it is in pancake, “by definition” or otherwise. It’s a matter of intent and design in both cases. 

46 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

The FOV concept for a monitor doesn’t equate to anything in VR.

FoV exists in VR in exactly the same way it does in pancake, and for a very simple reason: because VR is also pancake, only twice. It’s a flat image projected on one screen for each eye. You can apply FoV to this just fine (whether the brain likes it or not is a different matter). As discussed above, that’s how it works in DCS.

46 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

In VR “Life-sized” is self explanatory and would mean having the IPD set so that you perceive everything at its actual size. In a 1st Person simulator game I can only assume this is the norm. 

You should know by now that your assumptions rarely match up with reality. Doubly so when you’ve participated in threads discussing that exact shortcoming in this very game…

Also, you might be interested to learn that it’s not fully up to the sim to set the IPD, so it simply can’t be the norm.

 

4 minutes ago, Mr_sukebe said:

Interesting how this seems to be aimed at VR users, especially when I look at online streaming of DCS A2A where most monitor users appear to use zoom far more commonly than I do whilst in VR

“I got beaten; nerf the other guy” is a mainstay in any MP discussion. 

[cfrag]

3 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

9 hours ago, cfrag said:

I'm not sure what "by definition life-size" means

It means exactly what it says.

You may want to revisit the 'by definition' part. VR apps are not, in any way, shape or form 'by definition life-size'. Why would they? Is Google Earth VR not a VR app? Why would anyone take a central advantage of VR (not being tied to convention) and then define VR by the opposite? I'm afraid that whoever told you that was pulling your leg. Badly. In VR you can be tiny and run through blood vessels in a tissue, or be gigantic and play with entire planets in a solar systems. You aren't tied to our limiting real world - it's pretty much one of VR's central raisons d'être. 

3 hours ago, Tippis said:

“I got beaten; nerf the other guy” is a mainstay in any MP discussion

I use a much subtler approach: "bravo, you beat me - let's have a drink". Soon, we are equal. 

[SharpeXB]

7 minutes ago, cfrag said:

You may want to revisit the 'by definition' part. VR apps are not, in any way, shape or form 'by definition life-size'. Why would they? Is Google Earth VR not a VR app? Why would anyone take a central advantage of VR (not being tied to convention) and then define VR by the opposite? I'm afraid that whoever told you that was pulling your leg. Badly. In VR you can be tiny and run through blood vessels in a tissue, or be gigantic and play with entire planets in a solar systems. You aren't tied to our limiting real world - it's pretty much one of VR's central raisons d'être. 

I’m talking about using VR in this game, DCS. As far as I know you wouldn’t be able to play this with your IPD set vastly out of scale. Maybe CA could feature godlike VR but I don’t think it supports VR. Let’s stay on topic here…

[Tippis]

1 minute ago, SharpeXB said:

I’m talking about using VR in this game, DCS.

No. You're making sweeping statements based on nothing but assumption and hearsay about a topic that you have admitted you don't know anything about and which does not affect you in even the slightest. Consequently, those statements are pretty much universally incorrect rendering your input on the topic largely pointless.

1 minute ago, SharpeXB said:

As far as I know you wouldn’t be able to play this with your IPD set vastly out of scale.

Of course you could. See above about assumptions, hearsay and the consequence of those.

4 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Let’s stay on topic here…

Ah, Sharpe-speak for “my attempt at dragging the discussion off-topic by injecting nonsense in the hope that this will ensure that no options are ever added to the game is being torn apart by being wrong at every turn — I have to try to reverse it somehow!”

[SharpeXB]

1 hour ago, Tippis said:

Of course you could. See above about assumptions, hearsay and the consequence of those

How would you play one of these 1st person aircraft modules as a Godzilla or Ant-Man sized pilot? Other than in some crazy arcade game mode? You all know exactly what I’m talking about you just feel the need to keep this going for a dozen pages…

Edited July 5, 2022 by SharpeXB

[Tippis]

2 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

How would you play one of these 1st person aircraft modules as a Godzilla or Ant-Man sized pilot?

That's not what I said, now was it?

2 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

You all know exactly what I’m talking about you just feel the need to keep this going for a dozen pages…

You might be confusing everyone else with yourself, there…

Outside of inventing issues that don't exist, have you even offered any argument for or against the OP's idea or line of reasoning?

[SharpeXB]

12 minutes ago, Tippis said:

That's not what I said, now was it?

You said VR in DCS wasn’t life sized so…Google Earth VR is pretty much irrelevant to the topic here. 

Edited July 5, 2022 by SharpeXB

[Tippis]

7 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

You said VR in DCS wasn’t life sized so.

So what? So I know how VR works, in general and in DCS, and how its zoom function works, also in general and in DCS? And I understand how it works in relation to how pancake zoom works — you know, the topic of the thread? Is that where you're going with this?

7 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Google Earth VR is pretty much irrelevant to the topic here.

GEVR was brought up as an example of why your assertion that “VR is by definition life” is incorrect, same as pretty much everything else you've said.

You don't really get to chastise others for going off-topic when that's all you've brought to the discussion.

[SharpeXB]

11 minutes ago, Tippis said:

GEVR was brought up as an example of why your assertion that “VR is by definition life-sized in DCS” is incorrect, same as pretty much everything else you've said.

Here, fixed this for you. The topic here is DCS, not the way some other game uses VR.

Edited July 5, 2022 by SharpeXB

[Tippis]

19 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Here, fixed this for you 

That's not what you said, now was it?

So no, that's not fixing anything. That's just you trying to save face by adding new things to something you got wrong in the first place, when your sweeping, unqualified assertions based on hearsay and assumption turn out to be wrong again… as always. After all, that's your whole shtick in the wishlist forum: troll a thread with uninformed nonsense until the thread gets shut down, thereby saving DCS from ever changing.

Oh, and incidentally, even if that had been what you said, you'd still be wrong and the comparison illustrative explanation would be applicable.

  

17 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

The topic here is DCS, not the way some other game uses VR.

Guess what? How other games use VR is still on-topic since it informs how VR in general works, and those rules also apply to VR in DCS. DCS uses VR the same way everything else does. If you were actually interested, such illustrations could help you overcome your confusion about the topic at hand — you know, the topic that you haven't really offered much in the way of an opinion on…

Edited July 5, 2022 by Tippis

[SharpeXB]

9 minutes ago, Tippis said:

That's not what you said, now was it?

Clarified. This is the DCS forum so the assumption here us that we are talking about this game. 

[Tippis]

8 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Clarified.

Not even in context, no.

8 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

This is the DCS forum so the assumption here us that we are talking about this game. 

This is a VR zoom vs pancake zoom topic, which is what the rest of us were discussing when you started making incorrect assumptions about how it works, using broad and general language about what “defines” VR — in DCS and in general (as well as how pancake zoom works). Just because you were wrong and got corrected doesn't mean it's off topic. It just means your contributions were incorrect and got corrected. If that's too much to bear, there are solutions to that problem but trying to backseat moderate is not one of them…

Again, you can't really chastise others for supposedly going off topic when you're the one who started off on that tangent.

Now, do you have any actual input on the OP's idea and line of reasoning?

Edited July 5, 2022 by Tippis

[SharpeXB]

9 minutes ago, Tippis said:

Now, do you have any actual input on the OP's idea and line of reasoning?

The OP quit this discussion a long time ago.

For the record I’m not in favor of mission/servers regulating zoom view with either VR or monitors. 

[Tippis]

2 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

The OP quit this discussion a long time ago.

Four days is not a long time. Not everyone is quite as forum-obsessive as you and I.

2 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

For the record I’m not in favor of mission/servers regulating zoom view with either VR or monitors. 

Good!