AeriaGloria Posted July 7, 2022 Posted July 7, 2022 (edited) Hello! I have been a big time Jeff enthusiast since release. And after a long absence I am diving back into it. However, with Quaggles publishing LUAs since LUAs were locked, I have enjoyed looking at the specifications of our weapons in game! For example I see that the RCS of each weapon has had an overhaul, LD-10 now has an RCS between an AMRAAM and Shrike/HARM. And GB-6 is now the .1 m squared RCS stealth glide weapon it’s suppossed to be. However I am puzzled by some of the C-802 variants. In game we have models of C-802A and AK, I can not figure out exactly which LUA files correspond to which. We have a C-802AK file with 165 kg warhead and 3x object damage coefficient, and a C_802AK file with 76 kg warhead with 2.5x object damage coefficient, exactly same warhead as the C_802AKG file. I am inclined to thing the C_802AK file is for the JF-17 player versions as it’s engine specifics 650 impulse power, max/min power, is identical to C-802AKG. However what I can’t understand is that, it was always my thought that the CM-802AKG had both a larger warhead and fuel tank/range. In the LUA files, this is 220 km range for C_802AK and 230 km range for CM_802AKG. However both have 180 kg of fuel. Unfortunetly I can not find Zuhai airshow information of C-802AK or placards, but I can for C-802A. My understanding is that 802A is the surface launched export version of YJ-83, and 802AK is the air launched export version of YJ-83. Here are the publically available placards of both, C-802A one even has a picture of JF-17 on it. It claims C-802A has a 180 km range and 190 kg warhead. I assume the range difference compared to 220 km in game can be explained by AK being air launched. The placard also claims AKG has a 230 km range and 285 kg warhead. Question 1, So I was wondering if there is reason they have equal warheads in LUA files, when AKG is supposedly 50% larger warhead per manufacture specs? I understand that their warheads in LUA files would not be equal in kg to the marketing, as the marketing is referencing warhead weight, which is always larger then the actual explosive weight that is often used in DCS LUA files. So I do not expect to see 190 and 285 kg, just surprised they are equal, that AKG warhead doesn’t have 150% of the power of the AK. I understand that it used to be a preference of Deka to follow Hearblur footsteps and inflate ASM warhead to do more realistic level of damage to ships, but that seems no longer the case with identical warheads here. Question 2, [This question is Possibly null and void, see “EDIT” entry below, in which case question 1 about the warhead is my main question] In the LUA files, it also says AKG is 70 kg heavier then AK and this is backed up by the marketing placards. But if both have 180 kg of fuel with 650 impulse, how does AKG have that extra 10 km of range despite greater weight? In game wouldnt the extra weight mean it would actually have a lower practical range? The physical 3D models in game seem to have an identical sized fuel tank, so perhaps there is some explanation I do not see such as flight profile. EDIT: I apologize I mixed up the C_802Ak file and C-802AK file in terms of range, it seems the C-802AK file is the 220 Km range (which is also quoted by the in game encyclopedia) but the C_802AK file is 250 km. If this is the JF-17 version, perhaps this makes sense as it’s 12% lighter weight compared to 802AKG gives it the 20 km range advantage with equal fuel. Anyways, thank you for reading my long winded post, I only hope to increase the accuracy of our wonderful JF-17 simulation! Edited July 7, 2022 by AeriaGloria 2 Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
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