TooManyTims Posted April 22, 2023 Posted April 22, 2023 (edited) Summary: Video shows the problem most clearly. In the video I've demonstrated the problem in the A10 II though I believe I had exactly the same issue in other modules too. Here's my attempt at a short verbal description.... When a toggle switch on the Hotas is bound to two different switches in the cockpit (one with a modifier and one without) the cockpit switch that is not associated with the modifier can be made to move (erronously) when the only input on the Hotas is with the modifier held. Details: SW verison = 2.8.4.39259 Though this problem has been around for quite a while (only just found the time to report it) Warthog switch bindings (as shown in the video) Short video showing modifier not being obeyed for toggle switch movements.mp4 Edited April 22, 2023 by TooManyTims
TooManyTims Posted July 6, 2023 Author Posted July 6, 2023 Is anyone else able to confirm they have the same behaviour? I fly largely in VR and so maximising bindings to HOTAS is key as fumbling for a keyboard mid fight is a poor option.
MAXsenna Posted July 8, 2023 Posted July 8, 2023 On 7/6/2023 at 1:50 PM, TooManyTims said: Is anyone else able to confirm they have the same behaviour? I fly largely in VR and so maximising bindings to HOTAS is key as fumbling for a keyboard mid fight is a poor option. No one else have probably tried this. Not sure why you want to mix toggle switches with modifiers. And the problem might even be a keybind that resides in the "special for joystick" category. Just a wild guess.
virgo47 Posted October 9, 2023 Posted October 9, 2023 Do you use that modifier as "modifier" or is it a "switch"? I've never had such an issue with a modifier, but I can imagine it with the "switch" (which I totally ignored until today). 1 L-39, F-4E, F-5E, F-14, F/A-18C, MiG-15, F-86F, AJS-37, C-101, FC2024 Yak-52, P-47, Spitfire, CE2 UH-1H, Mi-8, Ka-50 III, SA342 NTTR, PG, SY, Chnl, Norm2, Kola, DE Supercarrier, NS430, WWII, CA VKB STECS+Gladiator/Kosmosima+TPR DCS Unscripted YouTube "Favourite" bugs: 1) Object local camera fast/slow inverted, 2) Yak-52 toggles not toggling, 3) all Caucasus ATC bugs
TooManyTims Posted October 20, 2023 Author Posted October 20, 2023 To try and answer both questions above (from @MAXsenna and @virgo47) I am using modifiers with toggle swithces simply becuase I want as much as practical bound to the Hotas, so I don't have to try and fumble over a keyboards while flying in VR. Ytou quickly run out of buttons on the Hotas with something liek the FA18 or BS3. I realise that using modifers on toggle swithces can create a logical disconnect between by physcial Hotas and the cockpit, but that's a pirce I'm willing to pay. By physical disconnect I mean that if a move the physical switch to say the "on" position then the cockpit switch will move "on" (as it should), but if I then move the physical swtich to the "off" position while holding the modifier, that will/should result in a different cockpit swtich (the one mapped to the modified combination) moving and the original cockpit switch remaining in the "on" position (i.e. no longer logically matched to the physical state of my Hotas) I'm not sure what you mean by "a keybind that resides in the "special for joystick" category" perhaps you coudl elaborate a little I'm am using a momentary press button as the modifier. This modifier is used in conjuction with lots of other buttons, hats etc, but I only seem to have the above issue when used in conjuction with toggle switches. Any help/ideas appreciated!
virgo47 Posted October 20, 2023 Posted October 20, 2023 4 hours ago, TooManyTims said: I'm am using a momentary press button as the modifier. This modifier is used in conjuction with lots of other buttons, hats etc, but I only seem to have the above issue when used in conjuction with toggle switches. This is OK in general, I also have one momentary button as a modifier on my throttle. What I suspect more is the logic behind those <> bindings marked as "Special for joystick". I don't have this module, but these often have a logic behind them, e.g. "when the button is not on anymore, return to default position". Try the bindings above, they should cover the same switch positions, or not? Often the <> stuff is for switches without middle position "press", but if you have three position with three logical presses (as it seems), you should be fine with the absolute bindings. L-39, F-4E, F-5E, F-14, F/A-18C, MiG-15, F-86F, AJS-37, C-101, FC2024 Yak-52, P-47, Spitfire, CE2 UH-1H, Mi-8, Ka-50 III, SA342 NTTR, PG, SY, Chnl, Norm2, Kola, DE Supercarrier, NS430, WWII, CA VKB STECS+Gladiator/Kosmosima+TPR DCS Unscripted YouTube "Favourite" bugs: 1) Object local camera fast/slow inverted, 2) Yak-52 toggles not toggling, 3) all Caucasus ATC bugs
MAXsenna Posted October 20, 2023 Posted October 20, 2023 @TooManyTimsSome keybinds are reserved for HOTAS use, like the "(ON) - OFF - ON" speed brake switch in F-5/14/15/16/18 and A-10s. You can see it in the controls settings categories.(Psst, get VoiceAttack)Cheers! Sent from my SM-A536B using Tapatalk
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