Reversed binds

[royphsle]

Hi Heatblur! I realy love the F-4E Phantom, but can you fix the reversed binds for the parachute and hook, so I can use the switches on my hotas warthog throttle? 

- royphsle

[Zabuzard]

What do you mean by reversed binds? To which button on your HOTAS are you trying to bind it? :)

[royphsle]

I want to bind it to the EAC and RDR switches on my throttle. In the down position the hook goes up, same with the parachute. The Tomcat hook has two bindings and the one works fine. 

Edited June 8, 2024 by royphsle

[Dave317]

Same for the undercarriage.  In the f14 I'm able to use a 2 position switch on my warthog throttle which works perfectly.   On the f4 I have to move the same switch up then down again to get the undercarriage to go up. 

[Zabuzard]

Same for the undercarriage.  In the f14 I'm able to use a 2 position switch on my warthog throttle which works perfectly.   On the f4 I have to move the same switch up then down again to get the undercarriage to go up. 

Ah, the orientation is the issue. Fair enough.
Sounds like an easy fix :)

[Zabuzard]

On 6/8/2024 at 5:25 PM, royphsle said:

Hi Heatblur! I realy love the F-4E Phantom, but can you fix the reversed binds for the parachute and hook, so I can use the switches on my hotas warthog throttle? 

- royphsle

I am not really sure what you are expecting to be honest. I just tried it and it works fine on my end.

I mapped the Tailhook In/Out (2-switch) to my EAC switch on the Warthog TM Throttle:

When I have the switch in the down ("OFF") positionl, the Tailhook is In (not deployed). When I move the switch up ("ARM"), the hook goes out (deployed).

Do you want it to work the other way around? I feel like this way is more natural for majority of users - engage the switch (moving it up) to engage the feature (hook goes out).

It is possible for us to theoretically also offer the other way around, but that would add like 500 new binds to the aircraft.

[royphsle]

What?? no. You always take the lever down in the aircraft for deploying hook, flaps, gears etc.. So why is not natural to move the switch down for deploying?

Tomcat has two bindings for the hook, so why not make the same for the Phantom? Only for the drag chute and tailhook, please!

I use a toggle button for the gears, but what about the switch? 

[Kirito]

Just use the 'JOY_BTN24_OFF' like I did for the Master Arm.

 

Edited June 12, 2024 by Kirito

[II.JG1_Vonrd]

12 minutes ago, Kirito said:

Just use the 'JOY_BTN24_OFF' like I did for the Master Arm.

 

 

This! Many people are unaware of the "_OFF" function (as I was until I saw it mentioned in some thread a while ago. Maybe it could be added in the general FAQ for DCS?).

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/support/faq/custom_settings/

[Kirito]

vor 34 Minuten schrieb II.JG1_Vonrd:

Many people are unaware of the "_OFF" function

Exactly. The pitfall is that you have to assign the '_Off' function manually.

@royphsle There are different bindings for 'Drag-Parachute - Deploy' and 'Drag-Parachute - In' and also for the Arresting Hook.

[Zabuzard]

What?? no. You always take the lever down in the aircraft for deploying hook, flaps, gears etc.. So why is not natural to move the switch down for deploying?
Tomcat has two bindings for the hook, so why not make the same for the Phantom? Only for the drag chute and tailhook, please!
I use a toggle button for the gears, but what about the switch? 

The thing is that this depends on the hardware.

The TM switch youre talking about happens to be oriented "Down for command OFF, Up for command ON". On other hardware it's the other way around. Or left to right, or right to left.

I understand your request. But the implication would be that we have to duplicate every 2-way and 3-way bind in the Phantom. That adds like 500 new bind options.

It would be nice if perhaps ED can offer a general "invert" option like they do for axis.

The "_OFF" thing is certainly a neat trick. Perhaps ED can expose that stronger in the UI. Not sure if that works with every hardware though.Ill check if we can add reversed binds just for a few commonly used exceptions though without having to introduce proxy commands everywhere

[royphsle]

19 hours ago, Kirito said:

Exactly. The pitfall is that you have to assign the '_Off' function manually.

@royphsle There are different bindings for 'Drag-Parachute - Deploy' and 'Drag-Parachute - In' and also for the Arresting Hook.

I didn't know that, thanks! 

[royphsle]

18 hours ago, Zabuzard said:

The thing is that this depends on the hardware.

The TM switch youre talking about happens to be oriented "Down for command OFF, Up for command ON". On other hardware it's the other way around. Or left to right, or right to left.

I understand your request. But the implication would be that we have to duplicate every 2-way and 3-way bind in the Phantom. That adds like 500 new bind options.

It would be nice if perhaps ED can offer a general "invert" option like they do for axis.

The "_OFF" thing is certainly a neat trick. Perhaps ED can expose that stronger in the ED. Not sure if that works with every hardware though.

Ill check if we can add reversed binds just for a few commonly used exceptions though without having to introduce proxy commands everywhere

I see the problem, but thanks for the quick reply. 

[Zabuzard]

Actually... I thought a bit about it and dont see any issues by just offering the reversed orientation for all 2-way switches in the entire aircraft.

So here we go, you now have 128 new binds that you can map

[Dave317]

16 hours ago, royphsle said:

I didn't know that, thanks! 

Me neither!  Solved the problem

[royphsle]

On 6/14/2024 at 10:15 AM, Zabuzard said:

Actually... I thought a bit about it and dont see any issues by just offering the reversed orientation for all 2-way switches in the entire aircraft.

So here we go, you now have 128 new binds that you can map

Hehe much more than I asked for, thanks.