Quest Pro stutters on MT when ASW is active

[Flyingfish]

I was wondering if anyone else is suffering from small stutters on the MT version of DCS when ASW is active (or SSW when using VD). The problem is solved by turning on turbo mode in open XR toolkit. It doesn't occur on the ST version of DCS.

It isn't a problem at the moment because my Quest Pro works with the toolkit but it's been reported that the latest Meta beta update to the Quest Pro is causing DCS to crash when the toolkit is running. Ideally it'd be nice not to have to rely on open xr toolkit to get DCS to run smoothly because I doubt Meta will fix the current problem with their latest beta update

[subroutine]

I get the same on a Quest3. VD with SSW enabled isn't an option for me even though I'm guessing openxr toolkit will continue to work with VD because the distortion where the Apache rotor overlaps the HIADSS is terrible. My PC, 5800x with a 3080ti can't maintain 72fps so either ASW or SSW is required but the stutter is still there with either disabled anyway.

[Maddaawg]

20 hours ago, Flyingfish said:

I was wondering if anyone else is suffering from small stutters on the MT version of DCS when ASW is active (or SSW when using VD). The problem is solved by turning on turbo mode in open XR toolkit. It doesn't occur on the ST version of DCS.

It isn't a problem at the moment because my Quest Pro works with the toolkit but it's been reported that the latest Meta beta update to the Quest Pro is causing DCS to crash when the toolkit is running. Ideally it'd be nice not to have to rely on open xr toolkit to get DCS to run smoothly because I doubt Meta will fix the current problem with their latest beta update

My understanding is that ASW is disabled when using turbo mode in OXRTK. Never mind, following bad advice.

Edited July 28, 2024 by Maddaawg

[Phantom711]

vor 4 Minuten schrieb Maddaawg:

My understanding is that ASW is disabled when using turbo mode in OXRTK.

I don‘t see why this would be the case…

I ran ASW with turbo mode on and it worked without problems. YMMV.

[Maddaawg]

9 minutes ago, Phantom711 said:

I don‘t see why this would be the case…

I ran ASW with turbo mode on and it worked without problems. YMMV.

 

On 7/21/2024 at 4:49 PM, Jive said:

FWIW if you enable Turbo Mode in OpenXR Toolkit it should kill ASW

 

On 7/23/2024 at 9:26 AM, Jive said:

I'm doubting myself now. It came back on even with Turbo mode on. For me it seems that have the Oculus Debug Tool open while in-game and then disabling ASW seems to do it.

I never tried it, just went by this information but now he may have changed his mind on that.

[Phantom711]

@Maddaawg

That‘s two different stories though:

As far as my experience goes, Turbo mode never turned off ASW. There is simply a warning in the OXR toolkit, that turbo mode doesn‘t play along nicely with motion reprojection. Maybe that‘s where the sentiment comes from. As I said, they both work for me.

The other thing is, that apparently one has to jump through some hoops now in order to deactivate ASW.

Edited July 28, 2024 by Phantom711

[subroutine]

ASW works fine on my system with turbo mode enabled. The game crashes if I remove my quest3 though.

[Maddaawg]

2 minutes ago, Phantom711 said:

@Maddaawg

That‘s two different stories though:

As far as my experience goes, Turbo mode never turned off ASW. There is simply a warning in the OXR toolkit, that turbo mode doesn‘t play along nicely with motion reprojection. Maybe that‘s where the sentiment comes from. As I said, they both work for me.

The other thing is, that apparently one has to jump through some hoops now in order to deactivate ASW.

 

Yep, and it's those hoops that have me on VD. Sick and tired of Meta Link software and updates that break it and needing to use old tools or 3rd party tools that are no longer supported.

5 minutes ago, subroutine said:

ASW works fine on my system with turbo mode enabled. The game crashes if I remove my quest3 though.

So if you take it off your head it crashes?

[Qcumber]

15 minutes ago, subroutine said:

ASW works fine on my system with turbo mode enabled. The game crashes if I remove my quest3 though.

That's the bug when using turbo on meta. It freezes most of the time when you remove your headset. Even for a few seconds. 

[Flyingfish]

So just to clarify, are other people getting stuttering in MT when ASW/SSW is active? If it's a bug hopefully ED can fix it because it looks like we might not be able to rely on open xr toolkit anymore 

[subroutine]

Without openxr toolkit turbo mode enabled the game stutters more regardless of whether ASW/SSW is enabled on my system. I can't see it being a pleasant experience in VR unless there's an alternative that does the same job as turbo mode. I've tried all the possible fixes such as HAGS on/off, game mode, low latency mode to ultra etc - nothing helps apart from turbo mode which makes the game smooth apart from the odd stutter which most games have in VR anyway.

@mbucchia

Is there any alternative to turbo mode and what does it actually do to make such a difference to smooth gameplay?

Edited July 29, 2024 by subroutine
@mbucchia

[Flyingfish]

1 hour ago, subroutine said:

Without openxr toolkit turbo mode enabled the game stutters more regardless of whether ASW/SSW is enabled on my system. I can't see it being a pleasant experience in VR unless there's an alternative that does the same job as turbo mode. I've tried all the possible fixes such as HAGS on/off, game mode, low latency mode to ultra etc - nothing helps apart from turbo mode which makes the game smooth apart from the odd stutter which most games have in VR anyway.

@mbucchia

Is there any alternative to turbo mode and what does it actually do to make such a difference to smooth gameplay?

 

Thanks for the reply. Do you get stuttering in the non multi thread version of DCS?

[Qcumber]

4 hours ago, Flyingfish said:

So just to clarify, are other people getting stuttering in MT when ASW/SSW is active? If it's a bug hopefully ED can fix it because it looks like we might not be able to rely on open xr toolkit anymore 

ASW is smooth as long as the fps does not drop below half the refresh rate. If fps drops below 36 for me (72Hz) then it becomes very stuttery with ASW but less so with SSW. 

[Flyingfish]

42 minutes ago, Qcumber said:

ASW is smooth as long as the fps does not drop below half the refresh rate. If fps drops below 36 for me (72Hz) then it becomes very stuttery with ASW but less so with SSW. 

Is ASW smooth for you with turbo mode off?

[Qcumber]

1 minute ago, Flyingfish said:

Is ASW smooth for you with turbo mode off?

I can’t run ASW with turbo on otherwise it freezes when I remove my headset. I can use turbo with SSW and VD but it does not really do anything.