Aim-9E - missing significant Vietnam war sidewinder

[MysteriousHonza]

As of now, we are missing Aim-9E on F-4E. It was already added to DCS though, with wrong model but added. 
I asked and its finished code-wise and missing proper model. Yet 3rd parties can already use said missile. It would be nice to get it sooner than later when from performance view, its finished. It just looks like aim 9J. When model is added, we wont have to wait for next update cycle but we will get it corrected right away. Not like model matters that much. As of now, 7E2 is using 7E model, 9Ps are wrong dimension-wise and they are still present without anyone caring that much. 
It would be neat if HB added it as soon as they could and not wait for model which could even take months as it was already months in game files without proper model. 

[Kalasnkova74]

As I understand, the AIM-9E was just an AIM-9B with a different seeker and wider field of view. So for Southeast Asia scenarios, one need only substitute the AIM-9B. 

[MysteriousHonza]

53 minutes ago, Kalasnkova74 said:

As I understand, the AIM-9E was just an AIM-9B with a different seeker and wider field of view. So for Southeast Asia scenarios, one need only substitute the AIM-9B. 

And uncage and better acquisition angles and better aerodynamics. Its different enough to warrant its addition to F-4E. Epsecially when it already exists in game itself. 
9B cant uncage, its uncooled seeker had worse acquisition envelope and worse low altitude performance due to worse aerodynamics. 
It upgraded 9B in every aspect other than max G load. The seekers iFov was smaller too so less prone for flares to enter it and decoy it. 

Edited November 8, 2024 by MysteriousHonza

[Kalasnkova74]

1 hour ago, MysteriousHonza said:

And uncage and better acquisition angles and better aerodynamics. Its different enough to warrant its addition to F-4E. Epsecially when it already exists in game itself. 
9B cant uncage, its uncooled seeker had worse acquisition envelope and worse low altitude performance due to worse aerodynamics. 
It upgraded 9B in every aspect other than max G load. The seekers iFov was smaller too so less prone for flares to enter it and decoy it. 

 

If those features are desired in an SEA setting, the AIM-9J would be appropriate then.

Inclusion of the -E variant should not be prioritized over other, far more important development priorities for the F-4E. 

[MysteriousHonza]

2 hours ago, Kalasnkova74 said:

If those features are desired in an SEA setting, the AIM-9J would be appropriate then.

Inclusion of the -E variant should not be prioritized over other, far more important development priorities for the F-4E. 

no its not... its 3-4 years ahead of 9E.... its literally few last months of combat, used in few sorties and had only few launches. 

[Kalasnkova74]

19 minutes ago, MysteriousHonza said:

no its not... its 3-4 years ahead of 9E.... its literally few last months of combat, used in few sorties and had only few launches. 

AIM-9J was employed starting July 1972, and was carried during Operation Linebacker II later that year. 
 

Given the scope of other things needed for an accurate SEA map- like an actual map, and a period accurate MiG-17 & MiG-21 - this is a nothingburger.

[MysteriousHonza]

nullEvery single reason you posted why not to include extremely important variant and stepping stone between 9B and 9J, when its in fact ALREADY IN FKIN GAME... is insane. Sometimes i wonder how **** people on forums can get yet always someone delivers on spectacular level.
from 9E is just wider FOV 9B to actually being totally wrong, to just use SIGNIFICANTLY MORE ADVANCED 9J when it was barely used in SEA and early CW air warfare, to but hey, it was PARTIALLY used during one operation with few dozen launches from specific squardon using specific sidewinders. 
THE FACT STANDS.... 9J CANNOT replace 9E. Performance wise and date wise. 

Edited November 8, 2024 by MysteriousHonza

[Zabuzard]

Lets remain civil please :)

As said on ur post on Discord, we will consider adding weapons once they are complete and ready, not while they are still WIP. Shouldnt take long hopefully :)