Not deleting original 2005 Eurofighter variant when newer Meteor-armed variant with newer avionics will be developed.

[bies]

According to the announcement, the first to released will be original ~2005 A/A Luftwaffe Eurofighter with gun, AMRAAM, IRIS-T etc.  And later on some newer features will be added, untill Meteor missile integration, so in case of Luftwaffe 2022-2023 P2Eb software.

Please don't delete the original 2005 variant in the process. Just keep them both.

This early one will be great as well, because it fits other ~2005 era DCS modules timeframe like F/A-18C, F-16C, F-15C, F-15E, AH-64D, OH-58D, CH-47F etc. and AI air/ground/sea enviroment form the era. And it will be the closest to real life, having least amount of modern classified electronics.

So we would have both variant - without any additional work for the developer.

Cheers!

Edited February 1 by bies

[Spectre11]

At no point in time it was ever announced what particular build standard/capability standard they are going to develop. On contrary they explicitely state that it will be a "Frankenstein" configuration of the aircraft that has no real world equivalent!

What they otherwise say is that for EARLY ACCESS the aircraft will be limited to AA only, many people misinterpret this statement as "they are going to start with an early Tranche 1 standard aircraft (which is relative anyway given the numerous Blocks, Sub-Blocks and PSCs/SRPs related to Tranche 1). All that it means is that not all features are available from day 1, that's what early access is all about, you get access to a work in progress product that will take a while until it's fully developed. That concept isn't new for DCS, but for the Eurofighter in particular people magically invent an "it will be this or that standard". 

[bies]

That's true and Heatblur/TrueGrit have very good idea what systems were adder after initial 2005 machine and absent initially.

Leaving it in original 2005 standard as additional variant, withou any additional work, would be great.

[Spectre11]

I think you don't understand. They never said to make a 2005ish variant of the aircraft (which would equate to Block 2 IOC standard). So asking for something that they may not even make is somewhat mood. At this point in time we simply don't know what we'll get. At best we can guess that with Meteor, Tranche 2 standard tactical codes and cockpit layout we are going to get a Tranche 2 aircraft at undefined capability standard. Yes Meteor is only available with P2E, but I doubt we will get much more than Meteor. The rest will likely be a kind of earlier T2 capability standard, maybe mixed with some elements from newer, but also older standards dependent on the information they can find about the aircraft and the individual systems.

[bies]

On 2/3/2025 at 7:49 PM, Spectre11 said:

I think you don't understand. They never said to make a 2005ish variant of the aircraft (which would equate to Block 2 IOC standard). So asking for something that they may not even make is somewhat mood. At this point in time we simply don't know what we'll get. At best we can guess that with Meteor, Tranche 2 standard tactical codes and cockpit layout we are going to get a Tranche 2 aircraft at undefined capability standard. Yes Meteor is only available with P2E, but I doubt we will get much more than Meteor. The rest will likely be a kind of earlier T2 capability standard, maybe mixed with some elements from newer, but also older standards dependent on the information they can find about the aircraft and the individual systems.

Yes and this is exactly what i'm afraid. And the main reason i propose to make two variants, not requiring any additional work - by just not adding some capabilites to the earlier variant. Which were absent in the early jet IRL. But adding them to the second.

[Dragon1-1]

Honestly, if loadout option is all it is, you can restrict it easily enough. I wouldn't bother unless there are more differences than that.

[bies]

On 2/4/2025 at 10:15 PM, Dragon1-1 said:

I wouldn't bother unless there are more differences than that.

I wouldn't bother as well, but there was a lot of differences between EF two decades ago wen it entered service - and todays P2Eb software, when it start to integrate Meteor.

Edited February 9 by bies

[Dragon1-1]

The question is, whether we'll get a mostly modern version and it'll just be waiting for Meteor to be put into DCS, or whether we'll first get something more along the lines of an early Eurofighter, which will then get upgraded to the latter version. In the latter case, HB will likely do something similar to the Tomcat, with separate early and late versions. In the former, we'll just have the later one. In either case, though, we know it'll be an older jet with the later upgrades retrofitted.