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Wish:

A two seat, dual control capable, and accurately modeled F-15D.

Sell it as an upgrade or a tied in module.  Offers the ability to put a newer player in the front seat and directly "show them" instead of just telling them.

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An upgrade? You're probably looking at around 20$. I don't think that would be worth it for ED. But you can wish for it. Why buy an F-15D when we have an F-15E and will have an FF F-15C (and already have an FC F-15C).
In my opinion, this whole trainer thing is more for “role-players” (and that's absolutely ok and not meant in a derogatory way) than something like this is really necessary in DCS.

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Just now, felixx75 said:

An upgrade? You're probably looking at around 20$. I don't think that would be worth it for ED. But you can wish for it. Why buy an F-15D when we have an F-15E and will have an FF F-15C (and already have an FC F-15C).
In my opinion, this whole trainer thing is more for “role-players” (and that's absolutely ok and not meant in a derogatory way) than something like this is really necessary in DCS.

I shall list reasons then:

Two seat combat capable jets existed IRL and have been quite common at least in the USAF.
 

As I said before, it represents an opportunity to get a dual-role trainer into DCS.  It gives you a chance, to put someone in a cockpit and go "Look, THIS is how and where you line this thing up on the tanker", etc.
 

Furthermore, it also presents an opportunity for ED to develop their own version of Jester AI.  For those who like flying the F-15 but may not want to be so involved in the operation of the radar, it would be a great module to sell together with a simple AI "guy in back" who will help run the radar systems for you, tune the radios, etc, thus offering an alternative option to simply selecting easy mode.  Maybe even sell it as it's own stand-alone module and co-develop the GIB AI with Heatblur.  I don't know.  But if you do the work for a 15D, it could also mean an easier time developing an F/A-18D, or F/A-18F, or F-16D.

If it's developed with a GIB AI, then you could sell it as a completely stand alone module and market it towards those who like having a little help with the onboard systems.
"The F-15 for F-4E and F-14 owners"

 

The 15D was used by some F-15 users as an ad-hoc ground attack platform prior to the introduction of the F-15E.  IIRC, the IAF used them loaded up with GBU-8 or GBU-15 TV guided bombs to strike a camp in Morocco or somewhere like that, and then had a second wave of 15D's come by and sprinkle MK-82s over it to eliminate the reinforcements that arrived.
Although ED has said they will not be fully rendering the F-15's systems, should they ever decide to fully render all of the features, it would be a great "in between" jet.
There is also no guarantee we will see any further development on the 15E module.

 

The best thing is if they build it, you don't have to buy it.  I own the FC3 F-15C and the half finished F-15E without an AI WSO, and if I were going to buy another F-15, I'd probably be more inclined to buy a two seater with an AI GIB than another single seat jet.

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I have already written it above. Of course you can wish for it, but I don't think it would be worth it for ED, so I wouldn't hope for it.

Right, I wouldn't have to buy it and I wouldn't buy it, just like an F-16D or an F-18D.

Trainers in DCS have little real purpose other than immersion sitting in the same airplane with "students". That's perfectly ok, but it certainly only affects a relatively small group of DCS players. One module where this works very well is the Mirage F1, as the trainer is included there. But if I had to pay extra for the "B" version, for example, I wouldn't buy it.

 As I said, wish for an F-15D, because that's what the Wishlist is for, but I don't believe it will be realized.

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If ED does develop a FF F-15D, it would probably be a full price module, as it would be a completely new module...

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