loocius Posted April 20 Posted April 20 I Have The G2. Actually Two, One Is Still In The Box. Its Been Said That The Next Win 11 Update Will Brick It. Also, Its Showing Its Age. Now I Am In The Market For A New Headset. I've Been Tethered All This Time, So I Don't Mind A Cable. In Fact I Prefer It It To Having A Battery Attached To The Headset. The Two I Am Looking At Are The MQ3S And Pimax Crystal Light. Which Would Be More Suited For DCS? Or Should I Be Looking At Something Else? Thanks
Tensorial_Architect Posted April 20 Posted April 20 (edited) I will repost what I just wrote to another new guy (Jacks) below: Pimax is a bit like a cookie company where the oven does not work well. They produce tons of models but many of them are not fully baked. I dealt with them for almost five years and decided no more until the company truly improves. I have their high-end Crystal headset, ... and when it works, ... three hours a month, ... it is spectacular. However, it requires more attention than a one-month infant (I know, ... I had one of those years back ) Also, their "support" just sucks and they have lately started to engage in dodgy subscription plans. For your price range, I recommend you take a look at the Meta Quest Pro. You would not think to look at the specs on paper, ... the resolution seems low and it came out in very late 2022, ... but it rocks. Pancake lenses, great color, and you can FAR more easily run it at 72 Hz than you can, say, the Varjo Aero, Crystal, BigBeyond, MeganeX 8K, or Somnium Ultimate. The Quest Pro also does excellent eye tracking, which means you can combine it with MBucchia's wonderful Quad Views Foveated Rendering (this API basically renders where your eyes are looking in high detail while dialing down the periphery) giving you even more FPS. The Quest Pro also comes with high-powered hand controllers that feature their own independent tracking (they don't rely on the headset cameras a'la the Quest 3). Also, the hand tracking is so good with the Quest Pro that you will not need any of those finger pointing devices that are sometimes advertised here in the forums. (I added a special package from Github to improve the hand tracking) I can now for the first time ever, reach out with my fingers and turn a dial in the Hornet or flip a switch in the Mustang with 99% accuracy. It is that good. Finally, the Quest Pro uses the Qualcomm Snapdragon XR2+ Gen 1 SoC processor which allows for 2 x 2 Wifi 6E speed at about 1280 Mbps. It is the first headset I have ever used which allowed me to experience true wireless VR simming while joining community dogfighting servers, ... with no stuttering or lagging at 72 FPS. Of course, if you want the regular cable snaking from your desktop up into the headset, you can use the Meta Quest Link cable (buy the alternative on Amazon for roughly $12 versus the $80 Meta sells their official cable for) and run the Quest Pro tethered. A brand new Quest Pro will run you about $800 while a great condition used one will be $400 to $500 at Ebay. Also, since you have been gone, DCS and all the major VR headsets have switched to using Open XR. You set this from within the Meta Quest Link base software and from the DCS launch options (DCS is now fully multi-threaded without the need for you to modify the .exe parameters). You will also want to become familiar with the Oculus Debug Tool (ODT) and with Quad Views Companion (the front end for MBucchia's Quad Views). For true wireless (the Pimax Crystal Light won't do wireless), you can use the Meta Quest Link base software (which uses a technology, ... errhh, ... code, ... called "Air Link") or if you still have stutters or lagging, you can try Virtual Desktop. Air Link has been fine for me and I cut out my wireless router by using my motherboard's wireless capabilities as a wireless access point (WAP). I also heavily recommend Voice Attack, XR Neck Safer, and XR Kneeboard as well. Whatever you do, ... avoid the Pimax Crystal Light. Edited April 20 by Tensorial_Architect I left this forum on April 30th, 2025 bc I didn't like being censured when I posted perfectly legitimate content. Best wishes fellas!
Qcumber Posted April 20 Posted April 20 +1 for Quest Pro. PC specs: 9800x3d - rtx5080 FE - 64GB RAM 6000MHz - 2Tb NVME - (for posts before March 2025: 5800x3d - rtx 4070) - VR headsets Quest Pro (Jan 2024-present; Pico 4 March 2023 - March 2024; Rift s June 2020- present). Maps Afghanistan – Channel – Cold War Germany - Kola - Normandy 2 – Persian Gulf - Sinai - Syria - South Atlantic. Modules BF-109 - FW-190 A8 - F4 - F5 - F14 - F16 - F86 - I16 - Mig 15 - Mig 21 - Mosquito - P47 - P51 - Spitfire.
loocius Posted April 20 Author Posted April 20 As For A Budget, I'm Using My Amazon Points (So Its Free According To Female Logic). According To The Meta Site, Its No Longer Available. Just The Quest 3. But It Is Available On Amazon. Plus Used Is Like A Box Of Chocolates, "You Never Know What Your Gonna Get!" I'm Used To A Cable So That's Not An Issue. Its Been Said That Wired Is A Better Way To Go, Performance-wise. Is The G2 And Quest Cables Compatible With Rach Other? Cable And The My Modem And Router Are At Other End Of The House. My PCs Are Hard-Wired. I Was Of The Opinion That Pimax Is "Iffy" At Best. My Kid Is Autistic, But He Has Fun With The VR. I'll Just Keep The G2 And Put It On My 3080 Laptop with Win 10. But What Are My Options For My "In The Box" G2? It Looks Like The Quest ___ For Me And A Long Learning Curve Ahead. Thanks For The Info And Advice
Tensorial_Architect Posted April 20 Posted April 20 Actually, because the user install base is large with the Quest 3, it is far easier to find answers to almost any common problem, .. including using it with DCS. As to the cable, I don't believe they are compatible but can't remember. You also don't have to spend $80 on the official Meta Link cable, ... any decent USB 3.2 Type C cable for $12 from Amazon will work fine (I know, ... I have one). Your options for your back-up G2 are to pair it only with a machine running Windows 10 or Windows 11 before the 2024 Fall H2 Windows update. The headset is now deprecated. I left this forum on April 30th, 2025 bc I didn't like being censured when I posted perfectly legitimate content. Best wishes fellas!
loocius Posted April 20 Author Posted April 20 1 hour ago, Tensorial_Architect said: Actually, because the user install base is large with the Quest 3, it is far easier to find answers to almost any common problem, .. including using it with DCS. As to the cable, I don't believe they are compatible but can't remember. You also don't have to spend $80 on the official Meta Link cable, ... any decent USB 3.2 Type C cable for $12 from Amazon will work fine (I know, ... I have one). Your options for your back-up G2 are to pair it only with a machine running Windows 10 or Windows 11 before the 2024 Fall H2 Windows update. The headset is now deprecated. So Go With The Quest 3 Then? I Can Get The Pro From Amazon. Also, I've Rumors About The Quest 4.
Tensorial_Architect Posted April 20 Posted April 20 The generally agreed rumor mill pipeline on the Quest 4 seems to be sometime in 2026. And yes, you can go with the Quest 3, ... despite how much that angers me to be putting even one penny into Zuckweasel's pocket. I left this forum on April 30th, 2025 bc I didn't like being censured when I posted perfectly legitimate content. Best wishes fellas!
loocius Posted April 21 Author Posted April 21 3 hours ago, Tensorial_Architect said: The generally agreed rumor mill pipeline on the Quest 4 seems to be sometime in 2026. And yes, you can go with the Quest 3, ... despite how much that angers me to be putting even one penny into Zuckweasel's pocket. Yeah, I Feel Your Anger. I Was Hoping Something Else Would Come Down The Road. Thanks Again For Everything
Habu_69 Posted April 21 Posted April 21 Check out my post regarding MeganeX8K. Stuff I have read indicate it is close to Q3 in visuals, but in a much smaller form factor.
loocius Posted April 21 Author Posted April 21 I Saw Those... At $1900USD (Not Including Base Stations And Controllers). I'm Used To The G2 Bulkiness, So The $1400 Extra I'd Be Paying Isn't Such A Bargain. I've Noticed That The Form Factor Has Taken Priority Over Performance. Like Everything That Is New, It Is Expensive, But The Price Will Come Down To A Somewhat Affordable Price. Thank You For Your Input, Its Appreciated
oqvist Posted April 22 Posted April 22 18 hours ago, Habu_69 said: Check out my post regarding MeganeX8K. Stuff I have read indicate it is close to Q3 in visuals, but in a much smaller form factor. It would be a total disaster if its close to Quest 3. Even varjo aero is way better though it has its quirks
TED Posted April 23 Posted April 23 +1 for quest pro. It’s a fantastic headset for dcs. Don’t even bother downloading the meta software on your pc. Just use virtual desktop and leave it at that. Just to throw another option in, I’d seriously consider the pico 4 as well. Much cheaper, but a very good headset and often overlooked as it seems pico hasn’t really hired very many YouTube reviewers as the competition. I have both pico 4 and quest pro and the difference is really not as much as the price indicates. The pico is also much more comfortable. With both headsets, if battery is a worry, they can be plugged in while u play and keep charging. The lenses are better in the quest pro and it is noticeable but the pico does look very nice with a very small amount of adjustment. Use fixed foviated rendering and the performance is good. I still use my pico from time to time and it is much better than I ever expected.
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