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hi there, 

 

i am trying to learn to fire the rockets, it sure is easy, i mean, not alot of buttons to use and fire them, but for some reasom my reticle, the CCIP kindof, is putting the yellow amber light WAY after the rockets are in range, 

 

so my question is, did i forget to turn something on? i put my auto ranging on, choose rockets, , from front cockpit everything is set, and my reticle, the movable reticle will start to count range only at maybe 600 meters range!?!?! i mean, those s8 rockets are solid 3 km range, so wtf? 

 

i tried manual launch of rockets but i guess too noob to do it, just want to see if i can get the auto to work. i tried SYN on and off, as if it has do to with anything but nothing. 

 

P.S: i am flying over flat terrrain sochi caucasus at the sea..so terrain is not the issue with ranging..

 

OR maybe these rockets in dcs for hind are 500 meter range))

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7 hours ago, Kaktus said:

hi there, 

 

i am trying to learn to fire the rockets, it sure is easy, i mean, not alot of buttons to use and fire them, but for some reasom my reticle, the CCIP kindof, is putting the yellow amber light WAY after the rockets are in range, 

 

so my question is, did i forget to turn something on? i put my auto ranging on, choose rockets, , from front cockpit everything is set, and my reticle, the movable reticle will start to count range only at maybe 600 meters range!?!?! i mean, those s8 rockets are solid 3 km range, so wtf? 

 

i tried manual launch of rockets but i guess too noob to do it, just want to see if i can get the auto to work. i tried SYN on and off, as if it has do to with anything but nothing. 

 

P.S: i am flying over flat terrrain sochi caucasus at the sea..so terrain is not the issue with ranging..

 

OR maybe these rockets in dcs for hind are 500 meter range))

I quickly recorded a procedure for the S-8 I use. The yellow light indicates readiness to shoot.

 

 

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The 3km range is the kinematic range of the rockets, not necessarily that of the ranging system. Also, effective range is much less than that unless you're shooting at a large area target.

In general, rockets are not fired at ranges you see in ad brochures. You need to get close in order to hit anything with them. 500m or so is a good range if you want remotely accurate fire. Anything further, and you'll just scatter the rockets over a wide area.

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Exactly. I chose the distance of 2 km on purpose to show what the dispersion of the rockets is at that distance. Personally, I try to shoot from a distance of about 1000 m to have the possibility of moving away from the target.

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There should be nothing stopping you from getting yellow light at 2.2 km. It might appear at shorter range if you say. Attacked a steep hill/mountain or a ridiculous dive angle. But in such a case your sight will still say “2.2 km” 

 

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great help tnx guys.. yeah i really love that yellow light, i just wasnt sure if im doing something wrong.. like, why is the yellow light not ON!?!? wtf..  i swear i feel the s8kom rockets have bigger range in my su25)))) maybe the speed and altitude gives optical illusion of bigger range.. 

 

i guess i was just frustrated when trying to off a abrams in my s8kom..and sadly you get butchered while in the process.. you might get it, or you might eat a depleted uranium shell in the face.. 

 

tried to rocket lob a target area, but that is another can of worms i noob will have to avoid touching for now, for my sanity reasons obviously.

 

i saw you can pick up Anti-tank soldiers in your mi24.. so is it possible to ambush a abrams convoy like this.. how does AI react to AI troops..do they see them from 5 km, or? i was wondering if i could instead of arming myself with AT-9 ATGM, just load up AT troops and then deliver them behind a hill of incoming convoy.. and then..voila..  

 

i know, i know i watched too many rambo movies..

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Supposedly, in the Afghan war, the Russians flew to within the range of the missiles, about 3-4 km, lifted the front of the helicopter slightly and fired a full salvo. So that the missiles would reach the target. All this to avoid the Stingers. The report of a pilot flying the Mi-24. I don't know how much truth there is in this.

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i heard this technique of lobbing rockets was trained technique even apache pilots know about it but hardly need to use it as they operate in full air dominance spectre.. but Russians when fighting wars don't have it easy, they fight peer militaries most of the time (stingers, PAtriots, HIMARS, ) so no such luxuries as hovering and picking apart the enemy.. so this lobbying actually works, but to make it work much preparation needed, target coordinates, your approach in speed, altitude must be on point and even then, you  most probably hitting 20 percent of what you would if unhindered and do a proper rocket lauch as intended..

 

i tried with Black shark, much easier as i can plot my target on abris and i can say at 9 km i will tilt up and fire away.. fun, but in-game useless, works best if lot of enemy concentration obviously..

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14 minutes ago, Kaktus said:

i heard this technique of lobbing rockets was trained technique even apache pilots know about it but hardly need to use it as they operate in full air dominance spectre.. but Russians when fighting wars don't have it easy, they fight peer militaries most of the time (stingers, PAtriots, HIMARS, ) so no such luxuries as hovering and picking apart the enemy.. so this lobbying actually works, but to make it work much preparation needed, target coordinates, your approach in speed, altitude must be on point and even then, you  most probably hitting 20 percent of what you would if unhindered and do a proper rocket lauch as intended..

 

i tried with Black shark, much easier as i can plot my target on abris and i can say at 9 km i will tilt up and fire away.. fun, but in-game useless, works best if lot of enemy concentration obviously..

using aircraft rockets for indirect fire is really only useful for attacking a pre-planned target like a factory or an entire airport.

As you have discovered, managing any semblance of accuracy with indirect fire requires flying extremely precise delivery profiles.  IRL, planning an indirect fire profile for a helicopter would look something like:
 

  1. identify target position on map
  2. identify desired approach direction
  3. identify minimum acceptable range to close with target area
  4. compute required airspeed, release angle, altitude, and heading for firing.
  5. get weather data and correct release parameters for projected atmospheric conditions (air density, wind)
  6. adjust for coriolis effects
  7. identify two visiual landmarks along the required firing line
  8. brief pilots on visual landmarks, required airspeed, release angle, release altitude, and "do not cross" line/altitude

basically, everything you have to do for a regular rocket artillery strike, plus accounting for the fact that the launcher is flying.

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3 hours ago, Kaktus said:

ok, help me out, i can't get the yellow light further than what is it, .. 900 meters away..this can't be max range.. ??

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the yellow light indicates that you are in EFFECTIVE range, not MAXIMUM range.

effective range is determined by the spread of the weapon vs the programmed target size.  as you can see from the salvo you fired here, even with the light on, you still have a spread large enough for a tank to fit comfortably between even the closest rockets in a salvo.

 

yes, 900 meters is a reasonable max effective range for unguided rockets fired from a helicopter.

If you want a longer effective range, use ATGMs, that's why they were invented: because rockets kinda suck.

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18 hours ago, Kaktus said:

ok, help me out, i can't get the yellow light further than what is it, .. 900 meters away..this can't be max range.. ??

hinds8kom800metersmaxrangelol.trk 1.06 MB · 4 downloads

Once again. I'm adding a track from the S-8 launch. 2 km from the target (planes on the runway) I placed smoke. The attack on the target should be preceded by making a hill. I fly to 700 m to show you how the sight behaves. When I'm already at a distance of about 2 km I start diving. Pay attention to the sight, I stabilize the cross on the target and the distance indicator to the target appears. The bold section is the effective distance to the target and in this range the yellow light is on. That's all.
On your replay you are constantly making a slight dive and aiming with the floating grid of the sight. Try to aim with the fixed grid of the sight and make slight corrections to the floating one. I hope this will help you a little in shooting with the S-8.

 

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