Zectivi Posted October 28 Posted October 28 (edited) Hello all! Looking to see if anyone has seen this behavior, and if it is expected. Some members of my community have recently seen it where upon activation of ECM mode 3 with the long pod by someone in their flight, they lose team member information, i.e. the DL contact goes from blue to green. Position also occasionally becomes shaky or more delayed. Example 2-ship scenario: Plane 1 activates mode 3. Plane 2 sees the contact jump away and back on HSD/FCR, jamming member changes from a blue (1) to a solid green. Plane 1 may jump around on HSD/HAD/FCR (or HUD if DL bugged). Plane 1 deactivates ECM. Plane 2 sees blue (1) return where it should be with no further degradation. I tried to read and get smarter on the whole TNDL network implementation, but something simply might have not clicked yet for me. From everything I've read, FC communication over MIDS should be fighter to fighter, and as such, messages with the STN should be able to be correlated and referenced. But I also understand that while MIDS has anti-jamming tech, it may not be completely impervious if the bands line up (understanding that ECM band jamming is not implemented to actually do that). Still odd to lose specific team member correlation. One of our members has video that shows this behavior dating back to June of this also occurring in a 4-ship. Can share if desired. Thanks everyone! Edited October 28 by Zectivi fix title 1
Spartan111sqn Posted October 28 Posted October 28 11 hours ago, Zectivi said: Hello all! Looking to see if anyone has seen this behavior, and if it is expected. Some members of my community have recently seen it where upon activation of ECM mode 3 with the long pod by someone in their flight, they lose team member information, i.e. the DL contact goes from blue to green. Position also occasionally becomes shaky or more delayed. Example 2-ship scenario: Plane 1 activates mode 3. Plane 2 sees the contact jump away and back on HSD/FCR, jamming member changes from a blue (1) to a solid green. Plane 1 may jump around on HSD/HAD/FCR (or HUD if DL bugged). Plane 1 deactivates ECM. Plane 2 sees blue (1) return where it should be with no further degradation. I tried to read and get smarter on the whole TNDL network implementation, but something simply might have not clicked yet for me. From everything I've read, FC communication over MIDS should be fighter to fighter, and as such, messages with the STN should be able to be correlated and referenced. But I also understand that while MIDS has anti-jamming tech, it may not be completely impervious if the bands line up (understanding that ECM band jamming is not implemented to actually do that). Still odd to lose specific team member correlation. One of our members has video that shows this behavior dating back to June of this also occurring in a 4-ship. Can share if desired. Thanks everyone! yes please, I would like to see it.
SubZ3r0 Posted October 28 Posted October 28 I would think the ECM could jam in this manner. When using Mode 3, FCR will be disabled and it just spits out a ton of interreference. This "could" also interfere with your jet receiving/Sending TNDL updates.
Zectivi Posted October 28 Author Posted October 28 17 minutes ago, Spartan111sqn said: yes please, I would like to see it. This is the video provided to me: 10 minutes ago, SubZ3r0 said: I would think the ECM could jam in this manner. When using Mode 3, FCR will be disabled and it just spits out a ton of interreference. This "could" also interfere with your jet receiving/Sending TNDL updates. I’d tend to agree, but then it would cause loss of contacts or other data though, right? Simply just losing the team member association is the oddity. 1
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