What does this mean?

[Maulkin]

Yep that's right, I am once again sitting down to see if I can learn a bit more about LOMAC. Probably a good idea since I ordered the new expansion pack from Naturalpoint. So I am flying my sexy Su-27 and my AWACS calls out:

 

011, Overlord, Bandits Bearing 166 for 157, Angels High, Hot.

 

Then a little while later:

 

011, Overlord, Pop Up Group Bearing 140 for 262.

 

So I know '011' is me since that is the number painted on the side of my aircraft, and I assume 'Overlord' is the callsign of the AWACS, and "Bandits Bearing..." is them telling me they found some enemy but how do I interpret "..Bearing 166 for 157".

 

I assume "Angels High" means the 'Bandits' are at a high alt but how high is that? And what is 'Hot'?

 

And what is a "Pop Up Group"?

 

Sorry for the n00b questions but if you can believe it I have actually had this sim for a quite a while now hehe ;) I just work at it a little bit at a time.

[MusicOn]

Here on SimHQ is a detailed information about the meaning of the brevety codes:

http://www.simhq.com/_air/air_008a.html

 

Here you can get information about also:

http://moosesquadron.mine.nu/academy.php

 

Information in German:

http://www.vjs-161.de/2/brevity-codes.htm

 

POP UP

POP-UP Informative call of a GROUP that has suddenly appeared inside of meld/No New Picture/briefed range.

166 for 157

direction and distance

Angels High

Different on this two sites:

Moose: HIGH: Contact is between 25,000 and 40,000 ft MSL.

SimHQ: HIGH: Target altitude at or above 30,000 feet MSL.

Hot

Flying in your direction

 

Hope it helps

Regards

[golfsierra2]

Sorry for the n00b questions but if you can believe it I have actually had this sim for a quite a while now hehe ;) I just work at it a little bit at a time.

 

No problem, just ask your questions here...

 

Ok, the GCI-Controller of the AWACS is telling you this:

 

011, Overlord, Bandits Bearing 166 for 157, Angels High, Hot.

 

011 = Your callsign

Overlord = Callsign of the AWACS (they are called MAGIC over in Europe)

Bandits = enemy aircraft

Bearing = Direction to the enemy (if more than one group a sector will be announced like in this example, however this is not complete because the GCI isn't pointing out the reference point from which the direction to the bandits was measured. It could be the position of the AWACS itself which of course would differ from the bearing from your position. Normally, a common reference point known as BULLSEYE would be used or - within closer range - the term BRA for Bearing Range Altitude would be used, indicating that your current position it the reference point. In this abbreviated Lock-On version, you can accept this call as the bearing from your current position to the enemy, just put your aircraft's nose toward this heading)

166 to 157 = sector where you can expect the bandits to show up on your radar

Angels High = bandits at high altitude, per (NATO) definition between 7500 and 11000 m

Hot = approaching your position

 

Then a little while later:

 

011, Overlord, Pop Up Group Bearing 140 for 262.

 

Pop up group = radar contacts 'popping up' on the GCI-Controller's scope because they were too low before to be detected by the AWACS radar or just went airborne from a base somewere.

 

From a ground site or an AWACS in Europe, a call to an aircrew would be like this:

 

"Hammer Two, MINDREADER, single group BRA 160/45, Hot, 22 000" or

"Hammer Two, MINDREADER, single group Bulls 050/12, Hot, 22 000"

 

Just print some pages of brevity codes frm the sources listed in this thread and highlight the ones used in Lock-On. It's easy after a while, you'll get used to it very quick.

[britgliderpilot]

166 to 157 = sector where you can expect the bandits to show up on your radar

 

I was pretty sure that the first number is the bearing, and the second number is the rough range to the bandits . . . . . it's worked for me before.

 

Anyone confirm?

[Brit_Radar_Dude]

BRAA - Bearing / Range / Altitude / Aspect.

 

Bearing - measured from you to the bandit. 0 is North, 90 is East, 180 is South etc.

Range - range to the bandit (AWACS calls MERGED if range is 5nm or less)

Altitude - Low / Medium / High

Aspect - HOT (coming at ya!) Cold (away from you), FLANKING (beam on to you)

Pop-up group is just that, bandit(s) that have just appeared on the AWACS scope (ie just taken off).

 

Listen here for some real AWACS radio traffic from RED FLAG exercises, they give actual height in feet (rather than Lockon's LOW, MEDIUM, HIGH)

http://www.lazygranch.com/red_audio.htm

 

The second one is controlling the Agressor MiG's......

[golfsierra2]

I was pretty sure that the first number is the bearing, and the second number is the rough range to the bandits . . . . . it's worked for me before.

 

Anyone confirm?

 

OK, I just learned a new thing ...

 

It's non-standard, at least it's not the way GCI works in NATO....

[Maulkin]

I was pretty sure that the first number is the bearing, and the second number is the rough range to the bandits . . . . . it's worked for me before.

 

 

When you say the first number is the bearing to the target, is that the compass heading I should take to intercept the target?

 

For example "Bearing 180 for 160" means I should head due South for 160km's?

[GGTharos]

When you say the first number is the bearing to the target, is that the compass heading I should take to intercept the target?

 

For example "Bearing 180 for 160" means I should head due South for 160km's?

 

 

No,this is the compass heading it's at right -now-. In other words, if you turn to that heading he'll be on your nose, but it's not an intercept vector.

[Maulkin]

No,this is the compass heading it's at right -now-. In other words, if you turn to that heading he'll be on your nose, but it's not an intercept vector.

 

Ahh yes that is what I meant. Wasnt thinking about the targets heading and speed.

 

Thanks very much for all the help fellas! :D