Training video for Landing Tutorial

[jpanside]

I am learning how to land the A-10C and I was looking for videos on the Landing tutorial they have in the simulator. Does anyone have or know of a video that walks through this tutorial?

 

I feel like I am following all the directions given by the ATC and the guide but I seem to be doing something wrong. Thanks!

 

edit:

 

hmm still can't find any videos on this mission. I guess I will just read the book more.

Edited May 28, 2011 by jpanside

[hassata]

Not on the training mission per se, but very instructive:

kCc6L_Iu9IY

[jpanside]

kCc6L_Iu9IY

 

yeah i saw that one already but what I wanted was a walkthrough that went through the landing tutorial that is one of the training missions in DCS Warthog. The same as Wagmatt's walkthrough on the ramp start.

[EvilBivol-1]

What is the last instruction you receieve? To assist you better, perhaps you could provide a track of your flight?

[jpanside]

What is the last instruction you receieve? To assist you better, perhaps you could provide a track of your flight?

 

thanks a lot! btw if I give you a replay will you be able to view EVERYTHING I did? Like can you see what I clicked in the cockpit and stuff? If so I would appreciate it if I could get a replay of someone doing this training mission to the letter.

 

I will do the mission and save the track.

[topdog]

Saving tracks turns your flight and all the actions you had taken into something that is repeated and played out in full (and even the opportunity to 'take control' and continue the mission from just about any point to figure out what's wrong).

 

The only real issue is that the tracks are sometimes sensitive to configuration differences and .lua file modifications, and especially different versions of the game (or that used to be the case with lockon and blackshark at least - don't know if that's improved in a10c or not).

 

Anyway, give it a try. The track even contains all the mission data so you can do tracks for missions people don't own and it will still play/work.

[jpanside]

for some reason the tracks do not seem to be saving. i cant find them in replay folder T_T

[jpanside]

yay! I managed to land for the first time but I am still somewhat confused as to the procedures and landing instruments.

 

oh and I could not find the track for the training missions T_T doesn't give me an option to save.

 

Well, I still wrote all my questions in flight and here they are!

 

1. "Batumi, Hawg 1-1, fly heading 235 for 40, QFE 3984, Runway 13, to pattern altitude."

Q: What does for 40 mean? Fly heading 235 for 40 nm? And, what does QFE 3984 mean?

 

And, what does it mean when it says pattern altitude at the end? I know pattern altitude is like 2,500ish ft but how do I know WHEN to drop down to this altitude? Like when do I go down to 2,500?

 

2. The guide talks about Final Approach Fix, but I do not know where this is and it doesn't show on the GPS. I am thinking it is imaginary and is a certain point off the runway. My guess is that the Final Approach Fix is the destination point that the ATC gives me when I call for inbound. But how do I know when to stop and not pass this Final Approach Fix?

 

3. Just to clarify, I should only turn on nose wheel steering at below 70 knots?

 

4. I have been using the ILS as the guide instructs, there seems to be two yellow needles, am I supposed to criss cross them to be on glide?

 

5. When I am directly lined up with the runway, is the HSI line supposed to point in the direction of my aircraft and is the line supposed to be directly under my plane?

 

6. My biggest question would be: when do I make my base to final turn? and how do I know if I should enter downwind or base when entering the pattern? So far it seems like the ATC is telling me to directly enter base and then make a turn into final, no downwind leg at all. All the ATC tells me is the runway and the heading. Then if I do not manually make a turn towards the airport and get 10nm near it, the ATC will not say a thing. And, even when they do give me visual, all they say is call tower. At this point, I just request landing and land. No other directions. Even, if I take the wrong runway, they just say land.

 

Thanks guys!

Edited May 30, 2011 by jpanside

[hassata]

I'll try an answer till someone more qualified chimes in:

 

1. "Batumi, Hawg 1-1, fly heading 235 for 40, QFE 3984, Runway 13, to pattern altitude."

Q: What does for 40 mean? Fly heading 235 for 40 nm? And, what does QFE 3984 mean?

 

A:Heading 235 for 40 miles. QFE is pressure altitude at the destination airport, which is the setting to dial into the altimeter (29.9x maybe what you are used to). If round-triping, I usually just adjust my altimeter to read zero before taking off.

 

And, what does it mean when it says pattern altitude at the end? I know pattern altitude is like 2,500ish ft but how do I know WHEN to drop down to this altitude? Like when do I go down to 2,500?\

 

A: 2,500ish. I understand this to mean that you should arrive at the 40 mile mark at pattern altitude. How you do so is up to you, but probably a gradual descent is best.

 

2. The guide talks about Final Approach Fix, but I do not know where this is and it doesn't show on the GPS. I am thinking it is imaginary and is a certain point off the runway. My guess is that the Final Approach Fix is the destination point that the ATC gives me when I call for inbound. But how do I know when to stop and not pass this Final Approach Fix?

 

A: I understand this to mean the point at the end of the 40 miles.

 

3. Just to clarify, I should only turn on nose wheel steering at below 70 knots?

 

A: Yes. An turn it off when reaching 70 on take off.

 

4. I have been using the ILS as the guide instructs, there seems to be two yellow needles, am I supposed to criss cross them to be on glide?

 

A: These are bugged at the moment, just keep them stowed. Hopefully in the next patch they will give indications at to roll and pitch to best intercept the glideslope/deviation (thus giving 'command steering'). What you need to keep aligned is the CDI on the HSI (so keep the white needle centered), then on the instrument directly above, keep the small white 'notch on the left side which moves up and down centered. So you are using two instruments, one above the other on an ILS approach.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=73834&highlight=approach

 

5. When I am directly lined up with the runway, is the HSI line supposed to point in the direction of my aircraft and is the line supposed to be directly under my plane?

 

A: Really the only thing that needs to be happening is that the white line stays centered for the duration of the approach. You can achieve this no matter where the 'line' is pointing. For ease of use, it's best to dial the HSI to match the runway numbers such that the pointer is pointing to the runway. Keep in mind that runway numbers are not going to always exactly correspond to the heading you need to flying, but it should be close. Best thing is to use the headings from the Divert page on the Navigation 'section' of the CDU (which will be even more accurate post-patch hopefully), as well as the awesome approach plates pu together by Shu as well as one of the German squadrons (JaboG32). These are also indispensable when figuring out where to taxi.

 

http://www.virtual-jabog32.de/index.php?section=downloads&subcat=37&file=1200

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=60370

 

6. My biggest question would be: when do I make my base to final turn? and how do I know if I should enter downwind or base when entering the pattern? So far it seems like the ATC is telling me to directly enter base and then make a turn into final, no downwind leg at all. All the ATC tells me is the runway and the heading. Then if I do not manually make a turn towards the airport and get 10nm near it, the ATC will not say a thing. And, even when they do give me visual, all they say is call tower. At this point, I just request landing and land. No other directions. Even, if I take the wrong runway, they just say land.

 

ATC is not fantastic, but at the end of 235 for 40 you should start to see the deviation indicators moving. If you adjust to intercept, you can ride the beam from there all the way to landing. Downwind, base, and final are mostly for VFRs approaches (or even more accurate, flying over the field then breaking into an abbreviated pattern). Having said that, here is a nice piece of pattern work under IFR conditions!

 

pYSoX0oAxLk

 

 

Bookmark this: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dcs+a-10c+training&aq=9&oq=dcs+a-10

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dcs+a-10c+tutorial&aq=f

 

Finally, search really works well on this particular forum. That's usually my first stop, and nine times out of ten I'll get what I need.

Edited May 30, 2011 by hassata

[jpanside]

I'll try an answer till someone more qualified chimes in:

 

1. "Batumi, Hawg 1-1, fly heading 235 for 40, QFE 3984, Runway 13, to pattern altitude."

Q: What does for 40 mean? Fly heading 235 for 40 nm? And, what does QFE 3984 mean?

 

A:Heading 235 for 40 miles. QFE is pressure altitude at the destination airport, which is the setting to dial into the altimeter (29.9x maybe what you are used to). If round-triping, I usually just adjust my altimeter to read zero before taking off.

 

And, what does it mean when it says pattern altitude at the end? I know pattern altitude is like 2,500ish ft but how do I know WHEN to drop down to this altitude? Like when do I go down to 2,500?\

 

A: 2,500ish. I understand this to mean that you should arrive at the 40 mile mark at pattern altitude. How you do so is up to you, but probably a gradual descent is best.

 

2. The guide talks about Final Approach Fix, but I do not know where this is and it doesn't show on the GPS. I am thinking it is imaginary and is a certain point off the runway. My guess is that the Final Approach Fix is the destination point that the ATC gives me when I call for inbound. But how do I know when to stop and not pass this Final Approach Fix?

 

A: I understand this to mean the point at the end of the 40 miles.

 

3. Just to clarify, I should only turn on nose wheel steering at below 70 knots?

 

A: Yes. An turn it off when reaching 70 on take off.

 

4. I have been using the ILS as the guide instructs, there seems to be two yellow needles, am I supposed to criss cross them to be on glide?

 

A: These are bugged at the moment, just keep them stowed. Hopefully in the next patch they will give indications at to roll and pitch to best intercept the glideslope/deviation (thus giving 'command steering'). What you need to keep aligned is the CDI on the HSI (so keep the white needle centered), then on the instrument directly above, keep the small white 'notch on the left side which moves up and down centered. So you are using two instruments, one above the other on an ILS approach.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=73834&highlight=approach

 

5. When I am directly lined up with the runway, is the HSI line supposed to point in the direction of my aircraft and is the line supposed to be directly under my plane?

 

A: Really the only thing that needs to be happening is that the white line stays centered for the duration of the approach. You can achieve this no matter where the 'line' is pointing. For ease of use, it's best to dial the HSI to match the runway numbers such that the pointer is pointing to the runway. Keep in mind that runway numbers are not going to always exactly correspond to the heading you need to flying, but it should be close. Best thing is to use the headings from the Divert page on the Navigation 'section' of the CDU (which will be even more accurate post-patch hopefully), as well as the awesome approach plates pu together by Shu as well as one of the German squadrons (JaboG32). These are also indispensable when figuring out where to taxi.

 

http://www.virtual-jabog32.de/index.php?section=downloads&subcat=37&file=1200

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=60370

 

6. My biggest question would be: when do I make my base to final turn? and how do I know if I should enter downwind or base when entering the pattern? So far it seems like the ATC is telling me to directly enter base and then make a turn into final, no downwind leg at all. All the ATC tells me is the runway and the heading. Then if I do not manually make a turn towards the airport and get 10nm near it, the ATC will not say a thing. And, even when they do give me visual, all they say is call tower. At this point, I just request landing and land. No other directions. Even, if I take the wrong runway, they just say land.

 

ATC is not fantastic, but at the end of 235 for 40 you should start to see the deviation indicators moving. If you adjust to intercept, you can ride the beam from there all the way to landing. Downwind, base, and final are mostly for VFRs approaches (or even more accurate, flying over the field then breaking into an abbreviated pattern). Having said that, here is a nice piece of pattern work under IFR conditions!

 

pYSoX0oAxLk

 

 

Bookmark this: http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dcs+a-10c+training&aq=9&oq=dcs+a-10

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=dcs+a-10c+tutorial&aq=f

 

Finally, search really works well on this particular forum. That's usually my first stop, and nine times out of ten I'll get what I need.

 

immensely helpful! thank you so much!

 

Okay I have a link to the track that has two landings. one at batumi and one at kobuleti. this was the training mission for landing. yeah I had a REAL bad landing at batumi and landed way too early at kobuleti but I would like to know if my pattern was correct and also my approach to the approach fix point.

 

http://www.mediafire.com/?pq229dl4mc2xs73

 

Also, I have an illustration of something that is confusing me. In this video at the 6:30 mark, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKV-PaPEpEQ, the ATC tells the player to land at runway 240. But is the pattern a left pattern or right pattern? It seems like it is a Right pattern (even though he doesn't demonstrate and lands on the opposite runway), but how do you know it is a right pattern? I do not recall the ATC clarifying the traffic pattern in the video. Thank you!

 

Edited May 30, 2011 by jpanside

[hassata]

I'm not at my machine so can't watch tracks now. Patterns are usually flown to the left, unless field conditions (obstacles, parallel runways etc.) necessitate right. I don't think that level of arrival detail is modeled, so I just fly all of mine left-handed.

 

Edit: Just wanted to add this awesome template for nav aids http://files.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/38356/

Edited May 30, 2011 by hassata