LO1.2´s Ka-50 & Kuznetsov

[JACN]

Guys, take it easy. I think is foolish keep discussing if havok could be embarked or not...of course IT IS (until a Kamov´s engineer say the opposite).

 

The question is this:

 

"If Kuznetsov ALREADY carry ATTACK (kamov-32 contrarrotatory-coaxial-rotor and blablabla....) HELOS and if these are (by far) less offensive/war capable than the much modern, better armed, agile (and pretty :) ) Kamov-50 what in the world would be the f****** reason to not replace the older(worse) 32s with the newer(better)50s ones?. Is any kind of a secret disarmament plan?".

 

Tell me who wouldn´t like to play a mission where an amphibious disembark is supported by Kuznetsov embarked Ka-50´s and these (at the same time) protected by Su-33s. OMG, an all in one solution! :icon_roll

[Force_Feedback]

The ka-32 can be replaced by the Mi-28, mi-38, the Ansat 2 or even the Ka-52/50, the point is that it hasn't been done in the real world, so why should it be implemented in 1.2?

 

 

 

P.s. since when have I told the Airwolf exhists? (sarcasm, learn it)

[Alfa]

The question is this:

 

"If Kuznetsov ALREADY carry ATTACK (kamov-32 contrarrotatory-coaxial-rotor and blablabla....) HELOS and if these are (by far) less offensive/war capable than the much modern, better armed, agile (and pretty :) ) Kamov-50 what in the world would be the f****** reason to not replace the older(worse) 32s with the newer(better)50s ones?. Is any kind of a secret disarmament plan?".

 

ROFL....

 

For your information,

 

a). the Admiral Kuznetsov was designed to operate out in the middle of large oceans in support of the Soviet submarine fleet - not much use for anti-tank helicopters like the Ka-50 there ;) .

 

b). the helicopters embarked onboard the Kuznetsov are:

 

- Ka-27PL (aka "Ka-28" for export) antisubmarine helicopter

- Ka-27PS search & rescue helicopter

- Ka-29RLD (aka "Ka-31" for export) early warning helicopter

 

There are no attack helicopters onboard for the obvious reason mentioned in point a).....and the "Ka-32" is a civilian conversion of the Ka-27 design :) .

 

- JJ.

[JACN]

The ka-32 can be replaced by the Mi-28, mi-38, the Ansat 2 or even the Ka-52/50, the point is that it hasn't been done in the real world, so why should it be implemented in 1.2?

 

Sorry man, the choppers you mention are no more than prototypes (or losers...mi-28 ;) ). The only one "officially" in service is the Ka-50 (even don´t know about ka-52...). So, again, your arguments are...inexistent

 

P.s. since when have I told the Airwolf exhists? (sarcasm, learn it)

 

I think your sarcasm is rather poor...Airwolf is no more than a modified black-painted Bell-222 so it DOES EXIST. Instead of that, you should have gone beyond saying: "you can even land the MI-38 (BTW a really heavier bird) on the Kuz" :icon_roll

 

BTW, please, could you tell us what did you mean (or trying to mean) with this:

 

"Please think about water and the wind, specifically about the sea, just give it a minute, it will come to you." (second reply first page).

 

Not trying to offend you but...how old are you guy?

 

All in all I think (most) people (hope ED read) have taken the meaning of this thread, in what I think could be more than a feasible possibility.

 

...OUT...

[JACN]

ROFL....

 

For your information,

 

a). the Admiral Kuznetsov was designed to operate out in the middle of large oceans in support of the Soviet submarine fleet - not much use for anti-tank helicopters like the Ka-50 there ;) .

 

b). the helicopters embarked onboard the Kuznetsov are:

 

- Ka-27PL (aka "Ka-28" for export) antisubmarine helicopter

- Ka-27PS search & rescue helicopter

- Ka-29RLD (aka "Ka-31" for export) early warning helicopter

 

There are no attack helicopters onboard for the obvious reason mentioned in point a).....and the "Ka-32" is a civilian conversion of the Ka-27 design :) .

 

- JJ.

 

"The obvious reason" you mention is not a solid argument...F-14 also were not designed for bombing tasks, F-15 were not designed for Air-to-ground MAIN task (E version)...and Kuznetsov also (for the reason you mention) was not intended to carry SU-25s...but they have tried to fit them. So times change fast and war scenery has changed since then, and perhaps now Russia Army´s priorities are other...

 

Ok, man, I wanted to mean Ka-32C ;)

[Alfa]

...and Kuznetsov also (for the reason you mention) was not intended to carry SU-25s...but they have tried to fit them.

 

No they did not. The Su-25 you see on the Kuznetsov is the Su-25UTG, which is a dedicated two-seat trainer aircraft - its sole purpose is to train pilots for carrier landings.

 

It has no armament of any kind - no combat role.

 

Cheers,

- JJ.

[Tranquil]

Landing gears the least of your worries

 

EM hardning for avonics and munitons is the real issue (along with corroision).

 

Dedicated ground attack helio's in the blue water fleet? I want some of what you guys are smoking :D

[JACN]

(along with corroision)

ok...the same could say when thinking of su-27----->su-33 (navalized/embarked/...corrosion affected ;) ). But I think that are much more design problems to solve in a navalived (plane) su27(su33) than in an hypoteticaly (helicopter, remember) ka-50 navalized:no canards (OMG, no control laws review!), no wing and tailplane folding mechanism design, no arrestor gear modification....and yes "some" structure corrosion-resistance/maintenance review. Think that if there are KAMOV choppers aboard Kuznetsov is just because it is possible...and no other russian helos designer better than Kamov to navalize one of their products.

 

Dedicated ground attack helio's in the blue water fleet?

What the f****** thing is the EMBARKED AH-1W/Z Super-cobra?, a rescue or an antisubmarine helo?, nobody around here is aware of "navalized" "attack" "helos" concept is a fact?

 

And, if Kuznetsov was designed with the idea of to protect submarines ,now I´m sure russian army is far more worried about terrorism problems than an

hipotetycal naval warfare with american fleet. Roles can always be changed or diverted, has, is, and will happen. Please, think in "what if" missions we all play in Lockon...There´s a campaign (modified to be played with Su-25T) in which amphibious russian forces disembark in Crimea. Without any land-base near...don´t you think would be usefull having a CAS helo force in front of the coast? (US Marines also must be as smoked group of guys as me)

 

All in all, I don´t want to fight anybody about the idea of an embarked KA-50. I think it´s more than a feasible event and in no way dishevelled, in spite of Kuznetsov was intended for other purposes :icon_roll ...But if it has not be done i think is for any other (good) different reason (not said in this thread yet). I accept LO1.2 does not contemplate that possibility because many other have been rejected before in order to preserve realism and I A*L*S*O love that philosophy, but nothing more.

 

 

I want some of what you guys are smoking :D

Sorry, man, It would kill you ;)

[Force_Feedback]

Think that if there are KAMOV choppers aboard Kuznetsov is just because it is possible...and no other russian helos designer better than Kamov to navalize one of their products.

 

Yes, there are also Zil trucks on board, and no other lorry designer is better than Zil to navalize one of their products... Oh, and there is the little fact that OKB Kamova had some good friends in the KPSS, but no, that wasn't it, their choppers are superior to the other Russian brands.

 

Please, think in "what if" missions we all play in Lockon...

 

What if pigs mutated into people by the radioactive fallout from a nuclear sub, then hijacked a Tu-160 and landed it on the Kuznetsov by autopilot, after which a big phaser battle begun, but then our hero came in: "Superconscript", with his magic lightsaber. He killed the mutated pigs, shot the aliens down with his charm and saved the world. Oh,and later on he returned to Chulak with the Stargate...

[GGTharos]

Again comparing completely fictional things to potential (however unlikely) reality ... sheesh. Can't you make a better argument? The Ka-50 will ikely have no issues whatsoever operating from the Kuz in the game. That's that.

[akdavis]

I think it interesting that the Ka-50s sent to Chechnya worked in a strike group with a recon/target designation Ka-29. I have no idea if the Ka-29 was operated by the Navy or Air Force, however.

[JACN]

Yes, there are also Zil trucks on board, and no other lorry designer is better than Zil to navalize one of their products... Oh, and there is the little fact that OKB Kamova had some good friends in the KPSS, but no, that wasn't it, their choppers are superior to the other Russian brands.

 

 

 

What if pigs mutated into people by the radioactive fallout from a nuclear sub, then hijacked a Tu-160 and landed it on the Kuznetsov by autopilot, after which a big phaser battle begun, but then our hero came in: "Superconscript", with his magic lightsaber. He killed the mutated pigs, shot the aliens down with his charm and saved the world. Oh,and later on he returned to Chulak with the Stargate...

 

Repeat...how old are you, guy?.... :icon_roll