Strix Cheap Sim!

Strix · February 3, 2012

Memory

8,00 GB

Processor

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Processor

HDD

25GB Free (100GB Total)

Gaming Graphics

4862 MB Total available graphics memory

Graphics

AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series

PeterP · February 3, 2012

Got maybe 1-2 more fps in SoftTH!!

Standing at airport gives a low fps, 8-9 fps!!
Was trying to land only using throttles!! Did succeed, but could not hold it straight down runway... So I went of in the dirt...
But managed to turn 180 degrees and land from 16000 m? or feet?

I did run it with HIGH settings before, now LOW, and I don't see much differences!!

Damn, need better cards!

Ohhh....
Forgot, I use full screen to!

+10% is not bad ;)

but please post your

config.SoftTHconfig

and your "MonitorSetup".lua

I'm sure we can optimize it for more performance,

as

- setting a FPS limit for the MFCDs

- re-arranging your render to use less overall pixels.

- ...

Strix · February 3, 2012

+10 % is good....:mad:

My SoftTH file:

[main]
renderResolution=4480x1880
nonlocalFormat=RGB16D
keepComposition=0
smoothing=1
debugD3D=0
zClear=1
vsync=0
tripleBuffer=0
screenshotFormat=jpg
dllPathD3D9=auto
dllPathDXGI=auto
dllPathD3D11=auto

[overrides]
forceResolution=0
antialiasing=0
processAffinity=0
FOVForceHorizontal=0
FOVForceVertical=0

[debug]
compatibleIB=0
compatibleTex=0
compatibleVB=0
enableVBQuirk=0

[head_primary]
sourceRect=0,0,1280,1024
screenMode=1280x1024

[head_1]
; Autodetected as \\.\DISPLAY1 at AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series
devID=1
sourceRect=1280,0,1920,1080
transportResolution=1920x1080
transportMethod=auto
noSync=0
fpsLimit=0

[head_2]
; Autodetected as \\.\DISPLAY2 at AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series
devID=2
sourceRect=3200,0,1280,1024
transportResolution=1280x1024
transportMethod=auto
noSync=0
fpsLimit=0

[head_3]
; Autodetected as \\.\DISPLAY3 at AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series
devID=3
sourceRect=1280,1080,600,800
transportResolution=600x800
transportMethod=auto
noSync=0
fpsLimit=0

[head_4]
; Autodetected as \\.\DISPLAY4 at AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series
devID=4
sourceRect=2600,1080,600,800
transportResolution=600x800
transportMethod=auto
noSync=0
fpsLimit=0

And Monitorsetup: 3Cameras2MFCD.lua

_ = function(p) return p; end;
name = _('3 Screen + 2 MFCD');
Description = '3 Monitors + 2 MFCD'
Viewports =
{
Left =
{
x = 0;
y = 0;
width = 1280;
height = 1024;
viewDx = -1;
viewDy = 0;
aspect = 1.25;
},

Center =
{
x = 1280;
y = 0;
width = 1920;
height = 1080;
viewDx = 0;
viewDy = 0;
aspect = 1.5;
},

Right =
{
x = 3200;
y = 0;
width = 1280;
height = 1024;
viewDx = 1;
viewDy = 0;
aspect = 1.25;
}
}
LEFT_MFCD =
{
x = 1320;
y = 1080;
width = 550;
height = 550;
}

RIGHT_MFCD =
{
x = 2600;
y = 1080;
width = 550;
height = 550;
}

UIMainView = Viewports.Center

God luck with the files and may the force be with you :megalol:

PeterP · February 3, 2012

Had a brief look at your settings...

And there is a lot that can be done better!

When I'm done you will Have a overall res of 4780x1080 = 5.162.400px without a loss in image quality.

(Right now you are running ridiculous 4480x1880 = 8.422.400px...)

and you will probably have +10 FPS...

But one thing puzzles me :

Why you are using three view-ports instead of one for the main-view ?

Normally this render method is only usefull when having a static viewpoint and a projection surface at 90° around you (similar like this:http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1372974&postcount=4 )

But when you have only 3 a TH-setup there is no much use for this.... (Even when in DCS it is called "Monitors" - but I'm very sure that there is something lost in translation from Russian to English - and sure view-port is the more appropriate term) ...

And it costs a lot of resources...

- Is there a special reason why you using this?

Edited February 3, 2012 by PeterP

Strix · February 3, 2012

By view-ports u mean screens?

I use 3 screens for my 3D view or whatever they call it.

So when I use Track IR I don't need to turn my head a lot to glance behind me :smartass:

And I can see about 80 degrees more to the sides this way. I do see the wingtips! :D

Take a look at my latest pic and u see how its done.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1388388&postcount=19

I like it big :D

So I am not sure what to do...

PeterP · February 3, 2012

I know... (follow the link I have put in my last posting)

But do you know that this is the main culprit for your Bad FPS - and you are simply running out of V-ram because of this...

Why you don't put a curve in your TrackIR ?

and you will also have no zick-zag horizon anymore.

Edited February 3, 2012 by PeterP

Strix · February 3, 2012

So what to do?

Only use 1 screen to display main view? 27" screen.

And trow away the rest....... omg, so much money spent on nice things...

It works fin until I connect the 2, 8" screens, then the fps go down with 10fps!!

I did look at the link and I do not understand a damn thing about it :helpsmilie:

First row of pics, are they in displayed in 1 screen as view-ports? Or a lot of screens :megalol:

Divided in to five different ports?

So if I want to have more view to left and right, can I split my 27 " in 3 parts, middle shows center view and the to other shows more of left and right as I have it now? Sounds silly...

I do use a curve to my TrackIR...

Edited February 3, 2012 by Strix

PeterP · February 3, 2012

No - keep your setup as it is ...:) -throw nothing away .

But run one-viewport at your three screens - and have a little patient - I write a Softth config that makes it less worse...

then the fps go down with 10fps!!

that's no big surprise - you added with this also over 3million pixels more to render for your card.

When I'm done you will Have a overall res of 4780x1080 = 5.162.400px without a loss in image quality.

(Right now you are running ridiculous 4480x1880 = 8.422.400px...)

Even if on the most nothing is shown and they are black.

Your card has still to put this pixels somewhere - and you simply run out of v-ram.

...There is nothing like a free-lunch in the whole universe.:)

Edited February 3, 2012 by PeterP

Strix · February 3, 2012

OMG u make me confused...

And hungry.... must eat..... now ...... .aghrrrhhghghgh..

PeterP · February 3, 2012

Made 3 SoftTH 2.08b presets for you.

1.

SoftTH 2.08b preset for HighPerformance 4400x900 with bezelmanagment

This has a little loss in image quality and is optimized for the best performance that is possible on your setup.

it uses only one view port.

config.SoftTHconfig:

[main]
renderResolution=4400x900
nonlocalFormat=RGB16D
keepComposition=0
smoothing=0
debugD3D=0
zClear=0
vsync=0
tripleBuffer=0
screenshotFormat=jpg
dllPathD3D9=auto
dllPathDXGI=auto
dllPathD3D11=auto

[overrides]
forceResolution=0
antialiasing=0
processAffinity=1
FOVForceHorizontal=0
FOVForceVertical=0

[debug]
compatibleIB=0
compatibleTex=0
compatibleVB=0
enableVBQuirk=1

[head_primary]
;left
sourceRect=0,0,1130,900
screenMode=1280x1024

[head_1]
; Center
devID=1
sourceRect=1250,0,1600,900
transportResolution=1920x1080
transportMethod=auto
noSync=0
fpsLimit=0

[head_4]
; right
devID=4
sourceRect=2970,0,1130,900
transportResolution=1280x1024
transportMethod=auto
noSync=0
fpsLimit=0

[head_3]
; left MFCD
devID=3
sourceRect=4100,0,300,300
destRect=40,0,550,550
transportResolution=300x300
transportMethod=auto
noSync=0
fpsLimit=15

[head_2]
; right MFCD
devID=2
sourceRect=4100,300,300,300
destRect=0,0,550,550
transportResolution=300x300
transportMethod=auto
noSync=0
fpsLimit=15

4400x900 SofTH 1camera.lua:

_ = function(p) return p; end;
name = _('4400x900 SofTH 1camera');
Description = '1Camera + 2 MFCD + SofTH + Bezle'
Viewports =
{
    Center =
    {
         x = 0;
         y = 0;
         width = 4100;
         height = 900;
         viewDx = 0;
         viewDy = 0;
         aspect = 4.555555;
    }
}

LEFT_MFCD =
{
x = 4100;
y = 0;
width = 300;
height = 300;
}

RIGHT_MFCD =
{
x = 4100;
y = 300;
width = 300;
height = 300;
}

Gui =
{
    x = 1250;
    y = 0;
    width = 1600;
    height = 900;
}

UIMainView = Gui

Setting for the options.lua:

["multiMonitorSetup"] = "4400x900 softh 1camera",

["aspect"] = 4.888888888888889,

["height"] = 900,

["width"] = 4400,

2.

SoftTH 2.08b preset for 5060x1080 with bezelmanagment

Same as above but it uses your native resolution.

config.SoftTHconfig:

[main]
renderResolution=5060x1080
nonlocalFormat=RGB16D
keepComposition=0
smoothing=0
debugD3D=0
zClear=0
vsync=0
tripleBuffer=0
screenshotFormat=jpg
dllPathD3D9=auto
dllPathDXGI=auto
dllPathD3D11=auto

[overrides]
forceResolution=0
antialiasing=0
processAffinity=1
FOVForceHorizontal=0
FOVForceVertical=0

[debug]
compatibleIB=0
compatibleTex=0
compatibleVB=0
enableVBQuirk=1

[head_primary]
;left
sourceRect=0,0,1280,1080
screenMode=1280x1024

[head_1]
; Center
devID=1
sourceRect=1420,0,1920,1080
transportResolution=1920x1080
transportMethod=auto
noSync=0
fpsLimit=0

[head_4]
; right
devID=4
sourceRect=3480,0,1280,1080
transportResolution=1280x1024
transportMethod=auto
noSync=0
fpsLimit=0

[head_3]
; left MFCD
devID=3
sourceRect=4760,0,300,300
destRect=40,0,550,550
transportResolution=300x300
transportMethod=auto
noSync=0
fpsLimit=15

[head_2]
; right MFCD
devID=2
sourceRect=4760,300,300,300
destRect=0,0,550,550
transportResolution=300x300
transportMethod=auto
noSync=0
fpsLimit=15

5060x1080 SofTH 1camera.lua:

_ = function(p) return p; end;
name = _('5060x1080 SofTH 1camera');
Description = '5060x1080 3Camera/2MFCD/SofTH'
Viewports =
{
    Center =
    {
         x = 0;
         y = 0;
         width = 4760;
         height = 1080;
         viewDx = 0;
         viewDy = 0;
         aspect = 4.4074074;
    }
}

LEFT_MFCD =
{
x = 4760;
y = 0;
width = 300;
height = 300;
}

RIGHT_MFCD =
{
x = 4760;
y = 300;
width = 300;
height = 300;
}

Gui =
{
    x = 1420;
    y = 0;
    width = 1920;
    height = 1080;
}

UIMainView = Gui

Setting for the options.lua:

["multiMonitorSetup"] = "5060x1080 softh 1camera",

["aspect"] = 4.685185185185185,

["height"] = 1080,

["width"] = 5060,

3.

SoftTH 2.08b preset for 5060x1080 3viewports

This preset has the most impact on your system as it uses 3viewports and your native resolution.

config.SoftTHconfig:

[main]
renderResolution=5060x1080
nonlocalFormat=RGB16D
keepComposition=0
smoothing=0
debugD3D=0
zClear=0
vsync=0
tripleBuffer=0
screenshotFormat=jpg
dllPathD3D9=auto
dllPathDXGI=auto
dllPathD3D11=auto

[overrides]
forceResolution=0
antialiasing=0
processAffinity=1
FOVForceHorizontal=0
FOVForceVertical=0

[debug]
compatibleIB=0
compatibleTex=0
compatibleVB=0
enableVBQuirk=1

[head_primary]
;left
sourceRect=0,0,1280,1080
screenMode=1280x1024

[head_1]
; Center
devID=1
sourceRect=1420,0,1920,1080
transportResolution=1920x1080
transportMethod=auto
noSync=0
fpsLimit=0

[head_4]
; right
devID=4
sourceRect=3480,0,1280,1080
transportResolution=1280x1024
transportMethod=auto
noSync=0
fpsLimit=0

[head_3]
; left MFCD
devID=3
sourceRect=4760,0,300,300
destRect=40,0,550,550
transportResolution=300x300
transportMethod=auto
noSync=0
fpsLimit=15

[head_2]
; right MFCD
devID=2
sourceRect=4760,300,300,300
destRect=0,0,550,550
transportResolution=300x300
transportMethod=auto
noSync=0
fpsLimit=15

5060x1080 SofTH 3camera.lua:

_ = function(p) return p; end;
name = _('5060x1080 SofTH 3camera');
Description = '5060x1080 3Camera/2MFCD/SofTH'
Viewports =
{
    Left =
    {
         x = 0;
         y = 0;
         width = 1350;
         height = 1080;
         viewDx = -1;
         viewDy = 0;
         aspect = 1.25;
    },
    
    Center =
    {
         x = 1350;
         y = 0;
         width = 2060;
         height = 1080;
         viewDx = 0;
         viewDy = 0;
         aspect = 1.5;
    },
     
     Right =
    {
         x = 3410;
         y = 0;
         width = 1350;
         height = 1080;
         viewDx = 1;
         viewDy = 0;
         aspect = 1.25;
    }
}

LEFT_MFCD =
{
x = 4760;
y = 0;
width = 300;
height = 300;
}

RIGHT_MFCD =
{
x = 4760;
y = 300;
width = 300;
height = 300;
}

Gui =
{
    x = 1420;
    y = 0;
    width = 1920;
    height = 1080;
}

UIMainView = Gui

Setting for the options.lua:

["multiMonitorSetup"] = "5060x1080 softh 3camera",

["aspect"] = 4.685185185185185,

["height"] = 1080,

["width"] = 5060,

See attached Zip. (don't mix the files !)

(I edited them - now no more missing ";" ;) )

---------------------------------

Comparison of 1camea and 3camera:

If you don't know what Bezelmanagment is>>>

http://www.matrox.com/graphics/surroundgaming/en/product/bezel/

Btw: This is how I calculated yours:

Start first with Preset 1.

Advise on your options settings in DCS:

Avoid using TSSAA - this is very calculating intensive for the GPU.

use MSSAA only up to 4x - this is more than sufficient.

Resolution of cockpit displays: 256

Mirrors are very demanding. Avoid the use of them if you suffer from low frames.

Whatever preset you will use - it will give you more frames than you are having now.;)

Please report back.

Edited February 4, 2012 by PeterP

PeterP · February 4, 2012

Sorry Strix! -

Made some typos yesterday in the *.lua files (missing semicolons) - but now it is fixed.

Please reload the zip.

Strix · February 4, 2012

Luckily I did not download it yesterday :P

I was to tired and depressed about my setup....:joystick:

Now I cant find the ZIP file!

Only Spoilers!

It was there yesterday...

Did u make another mistake :doh::pirate:

Strix · February 4, 2012

FFS. now i see it again.....

I AM BLIND......:helpsmilie:

Strix · February 4, 2012

BIG difference in fps!!

Used the first config, got 46 fps!!

But I don't get the MFCD in left 8" screen, its is the right monitors pic there, and I get the Left MFCD in the right monitor.

I got the left MFCD in the right 8"...

Does it has anything how its placed in windows monitor setup?

PeterP · February 4, 2012

checking now - hold on...

In the meantime:

Please let SoftTH recreate a "default" config.softthconfig.

(remove simply my and restart DCS.) and post it here.

Than I can see what's the problem without guessing.

Please tell me also on which card the right little one is connected.

Edit:

Does it has anything how its placed in windows monitor setup?

No - you can arrange them how you want - it doesn't make a difference for Softth.

only- the IDs have to be the same.

And also please be more specific what the true meaning behind this sentence is - I don't get it ;):

But I don't get the MFCD in left 8" screen, its is the right monitors pic there, and I get the Left MFCD in the right monitor.
I got the left MFCD in the right 8"...

Edited February 4, 2012 by PeterP

Strix · February 4, 2012

[main]
renderResolution=4480x1880
nonlocalFormat=RGB16D
keepComposition=0
smoothing=1
debugD3D=0
zClear=1
vsync=0
tripleBuffer=0
screenshotFormat=jpg
dllPathD3D9=auto
dllPathDXGI=auto
dllPathD3D11=auto

[overrides]
forceResolution=0
antialiasing=0
processAffinity=0
FOVForceHorizontal=0
FOVForceVertical=0

[debug]
compatibleIB=0
compatibleTex=0
compatibleVB=0
enableVBQuirk=0

[head_primary]
sourceRect=0,0,1280,1024
screenMode=1280x1024

[head_1]
; Autodetected as \\.\DISPLAY1 at AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series
devID=1
sourceRect=1280,0,1920,1080
transportResolution=1920x1080
transportMethod=auto
noSync=0
fpsLimit=0

[head_2]
; Autodetected as \\.\DISPLAY3 at AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series
devID=2
sourceRect=1280,1080,600,800
transportResolution=600x800
transportMethod=auto
noSync=0
fpsLimit=0

[head_3]
; Autodetected as \\.\DISPLAY4 at AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series
devID=3
sourceRect=2600,1080,600,800
transportResolution=600x800
transportMethod=auto
noSync=0
fpsLimit=0

[head_4]
; Autodetected as \\.\DISPLAY5 at AMD Radeon HD 6800 Series
devID=4
sourceRect=3200,0,1280,1024
transportResolution=1280x1024
transportMethod=auto
noSync=0
fpsLimit=0

I connect my right 8" on the FIRST DVI on second card.

My setup on card is like this.

Card 1: Left VGA, Left DVI, Displayport (Main)

Card 2: Right VGA, Right DVI

BTW, I was using mirrors and 1024 res in cockpit :music_whistling:

Edited February 4, 2012 by Strix

PeterP · February 4, 2012

Please tell me also on which card the right little one is connected.

...

No - you can arrange them how you want - it doesn't make a difference for Softth.
only- the IDs have to be the same.
And also please be more specific what the true meaning behind this sentence is - I don't get it :

But I don't get the MFCD in left 8" screen, its is the right monitors pic there, and I get the Left MFCD in the right monitor.
I got the left MFCD in the right 8"...

Lets try this again...

Please fill out the form below :)

#1: is connected at ............., and I see this...............on it when I use preset 1.

#2: is connected at ............., and I see this...............on it when I use preset 1.

#3: is connected at ............., and I see this...............on it when I use preset 1.

#4: is connected at ............., and I see this...............on it when I use preset 1.

#5: is connected at ............., and I see this...............on it when I use preset 1.

I need this info! - as I have to put a "local" or "nonlocal" in the "transportmethod=" -as your both cards seems to be identical - and SoftTH is confused by this and the "auto" option seems not to work.

Edited February 4, 2012 by PeterP

Strix · February 4, 2012

checking now - hold on...

In the meantime:
Please let SoftTH recreate a "default" config.softthconfig.
(remove simply my and restart DCS.) and post it here.
Than I can see what's the problem without guessing.
Please tell me also on which card the right little one is connected.

Edit:

No - you can arrange them how you want - it doesn't make a difference for Softth.
only- the IDs have to be the same.
And also please be more specific what the true meaning behind this sentence is - I don't get it ;):

I see dead men in there...

No, I mean that the picture in my left 8" monitor is the view to right side of aircraft, I see the landscape there.

And I see the right MFCD in top left of my 19 right monitor. They swap views!

PeterP · February 4, 2012

OK - got it now....!

I will update my zip. - download it when you see a version v.4 at the end - give me Ten minutes.

Strix · February 4, 2012

OK - got it now....!

I will update my zip. - download it when you see a version v.4 at the end - give me Ten minutes.

10 min!!! To long, give me NOW!!!

hehehe take all time u want, I can wait.

With out your help I would be killing my computer.

THX a lot!

I do use to identical graphic cards: AMD 6850

And the silly thing is that I cant connect my DVI on 1 card, and the VGA on the other!

It must be VGA,DVI- VGA,DVI

Strange.

I use VGA-DVI adapters on VGA connectors.

Dont have VGA connectors on cards, only DVI

PeterP · February 4, 2012

version 4.is up and edited also the spoilers.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1391680&postcount=35

Strix · February 4, 2012

version 4.is up and edited also the spoilers.
http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1391680&postcount=35

Workt like a Swiss clock!!

FPS = 36 in flight!!! On airport = 20 fps as lowest!!

All MFCD in place! Did only have to swap the connectors on display to get left in left and right in right MFCD!!

Using setup 1.

I cant thank you enough, or the rest of the community for all help to noobs like me!!

What should we do without your help.

A BIG Thank you all to you all! :beer:

PeterP · February 4, 2012

I did check the framerate!
I did use the Training/Navigation lesson.

With all MFCD about 10-14 frames!
Only 8" MFCD about 12-16 Frames!

I gain 2 FPS without the 2, 3D MFCD!

+10 % is good....:mad:
God luck with the files and may the force be with you :megalol:

Just for the record:

you have now around 36FPS - this is a plus of 150%

Who Is the Jedi ?! ;)

I cant thank you enough, or the rest of the community for all help to noobs like me!!

What should we do without your help.

...would be nice if you would make a donation to Kegetys

at his website: http://www.kegetys.net/SoftTH/

SoftTH is donation-ware!

:)

.. and give me some +rep...

Edited February 4, 2012 by PeterP

Strix · February 4, 2012

Just for the record:

you have now around 36FPS - this is a plus of 150%

Who Is the Jedi ?! ;)

...would be nice if you would make a donation to Kegetys
at his website: http://www.kegetys.net/SoftTH/
SoftTH is donation-ware!
:)

.. and give me some +rep...

Pay you for this!!!

Of course I will!

Only 1 question!

Of course when you fixed this and all was well, one of my 8" did go to heaven!!

So now I dont have too anymore!

Can I replace it whit a 24" that covers both MFCD and the gauges that lies in between!

Its a lot of gauges :D

Edited February 4, 2012 by Strix

PeterP · February 4, 2012

...:doh:

Yes you can - but I'm out - start reading a little an searching the forum for answers.

To display additional gauges: Helios

more about SoftTH: SoftTH NEWS

Strix Cheap Sim!

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