Pap Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 OSA-AKM and TOR-M1. Dear friends from ED.The day you decide to release DCS CA you brought new standards to AD simulation and thank you so much for that. Allow me to propose some changes,if they are applicable,in order to have a better AD environment. 1. The missile flight path of both systems seems like a barrel roll ,with a diameter no more *than 12 meters, because of one gyro principal .The trajectory of vikhr is much closer to that. 2. Both systems,beside the automatic steering through *radar lock, have the ability to steer their missiles manually ( by means of camera). 3. Both systems can steer 2 missiles simultaneously to the target. No other system can do that.CA have many missiles in flight ... 4. TOR-M1 has the ability to engage 2 targets in a window 15x15 deg. 5. The maximum *lock range of a target is 28km and 25km respectively. This feature is very useful for AD tactics. 6. There is no self destruct command for both systems when they loose lock or loose the target. They simply after over shoot the range of the target , tern to up and after 24 sec for osa and 18 sec flight time they self destruct. 7. The OSA missile canister opens just after firing and not upon energize of the system. More will come... Best regards Pap * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blahdy Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 1. The missile flight path of both systems seems like a barrel roll ,with a diameter no more *than 12 meters, because of one gyro principal .The trajectory of vikhr is much closer to that. 9M330/331/332 for Tor is not single axis controlled. It does not roll on its axis. 3. Both systems can steer 2 missiles simultaneously to the target. No other system can do that.CA have many missiles in flight ... OSA is a single-channeled CLOS command guidance system. Only Tor M1 (not original Tor) has two command/tracking channels. And you're wrong about "no other system can do that". S-300 can have dozens of missiles up in the air and simultaneously illuminate 6 tracks during terminal stage. Patriot can do that against 9 tracks simultaneously during terminal stage and flood the sky with PAC-2 spam. For short range systems, every modern SHORAD has multi-target / multi-channel capability. With that said, ED had previously stated that player-level control of Tor in CA is currently limited right now as its still under development. So you're limited to visual range engagements for now, but it'll be improved in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted August 17, 2012 Author Share Posted August 17, 2012 Dear blahdy 1. Tor-M1 does roll on it's axis.Find a YouTube video to check it.OSA and Tor use the same principal to steer . 2. OSA use two independence command channels to steer two missiles in the air.Look a picture of an OSA and you can see them beside the tracking radar. 3. I never referred to other systems but only about Shorad with relative capabilities . 4. Name just only one from those Shorad used in dcs ca. 5. Writing my first post doesn't mean that i am junior in aid defense issues :) Pap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blahdy Posted August 17, 2012 Share Posted August 17, 2012 Dear blahdy 1. Tor-M1 does roll on it's axis.Find a YouTube video to check it.OSA and Tor use the same principal to steer . You're confusing variable inputs generated by CLOS acceleration demands and rocket kinematics variance with Vikhr-style single axis roll. 9M330 has full axis controls. 2. OSA use two independence command channels to steer two missiles in the air.Look a picture of an OSA and you can see them beside the tracking radar. Those are missile tracking radars. There's a difference between missile tracking and guidance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pap Posted August 17, 2012 Author Share Posted August 17, 2012 (edited) Tor-m1 and OSA because of one gyro principal steer the canards with equal portions of commands to go up/down and right/left relative to their rolling and so it produced the barrel roll flight path. You are actualy confused with the "missile tracking radars".These are missile sighting/command transmission stations and they do what their name says.To make the long story sort their perpose is to hand over the steering of the missiles to the main tracking radar after 300 m (because of the fixed 27 deg lift off) and to send codified commands to the Missiles. Yes you are right,there is difference between missile tracking and guidance finally,don't you think ? Edited August 18, 2012 by Pap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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