How to discuss air power

[Maior]

Greetings. Having just read this very interesting thread on a forum I attend, I asked if I could indicate you lot in it's general direction. This is a thread created by defence professionals to properly instruct people on how to properly discuss air capabilities and, it clearly shows that "my platform penis is bigger than your platform penis" arguments are pretty useless. Discussion needs to be centred in the whole asset integration. It's not by chance that the biggest game changer to the USN capabilities is not the JSF but the CEC program which will integrate all assets in a fleet in a way never achieved before. The F-35 will be one asset of that network coupled with other aircraft, naval assets, land assets and, space assets.

 

As the ensuing thread mentions, no matter how good the RADAR in an Su-35/F-22/F-35/F-15 is, the AWAC's are bigger.

 

Very, very, very long, dense posts however, it just sucks you in (well, it did... not sure how to finish this sentence now without a fellatio innuendo).

 

Hope you enjoy it.

 

http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/air-force-aviation/air-power-101-new-members-12457/

Edited March 14, 2013 by Maior

[marcos]

The AWACS is also bigger itself too though. The case is that an AWACS, at present, probably can't see a a 4.5th gen fighter at 300+km, but the 4.5th gen fighter can see it, and does have missiles with that range capability.

Edited March 14, 2013 by marcos

[RIPTIDE]

 

Very, very, very long thread however, it just sucks you in.

Nah it's not. It's 2 pages long. That's just a mind trick, because the posts are long, and condensed.

 

I've seen some fora with 1500+ page threads. That's a long thread. :D

[GGTharos]

E3 and E2 estimated range vs. 1m^2 target is 250km. AWACS' are also equipped with passive ISR type sensors, so if anyone 'squeaks' from beyond that range, they'll be noted.

[Maior]

Nah it's not. It's 2 pages long. That's just a mind trick, because the posts are long, and condensed.

 

I've seen some fora with 1500+ page threads. That's a long thread. :D

 

Yeah, not the best choice of words. Sue me :D

See if the change is more satisfactory for your grammar taste buds ^^

 

 

EDIT: regarding AWAC killing missiles, Which nation has missiles that can cover 250 Km+? Not to mention passive lock that doesn't set alarm bells off in every platform in the near vicinity. Also, why would you leave your expensive AWAC all alone outside? Someone could scratch it's painting you know?

Edited March 14, 2013 by Maior

[RIPTIDE]

Yeah, not the best choice of words. Sue me :D

See if the change is more satisfactory for your grammar taste buds ^^

 

 

EDIT: regarding AWAC killing missiles, Which nation has missiles that can cover 250 Km+? Not to mention passive lock that doesn't set alarm bells off in every platform in the near vicinity. Also, why would you leave your expensive AWAC all alone outside? Someone could scratch it's painting you know?

Supposedly the R-37 had a 300km range hit during testing. Probably at ideal conditions.

[GGTharos]

Thye AIM-54 has hit a drone target at 142nm, which is ~260km ... so the 300km kinematic range of the R-37, which is a heavier missile (and thus probably has more fuel) is believable.

[Invader ZIM]

Great read Maior, just what I need, another reading destraction!! :thumbup:

 

Barely scratched the surface reading it and was sucked in already. :book:

[Maior]

So, unless Russia and the US go to war, no missile exists that can take awacs out and, none of those missiles have silence lock. That was my point :)

 

I had a feeling you'd like it invader zim. ^^