Cunning_Fox

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S3 Refuel You don’t have the simplest concept of logic, which you’ve proven by making one statement and then immediately going back on it, and your reading comprehension is toddler-tier since you couldn’t even grasp the meaning of the topic I’ve stared and made a mission with a different aircraft. Please go away. —- To the rest: thanks for the input, the problem is DCS crashes now despite the fact that Jester is silenced. Curves or no curves it’s hard to practice refuelling when you have 50% chance of crashing to desktop. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I know the difference between IAS and Ground Speed. Hence, when you set it at 250 ground speed it flies at 166. Besides, the guy was saying absolute opposite, and I don't think he paid attention to anything i've said in this thread since I spoke specifically about S3 refuelling. And he made a mission with a KC-130.

Wait, so first you say 250 is too slow, but now it’s the “sweet spot”? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I knew there was a reason I’ve set it to about 250 knots. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

When your head is moving freely you have no frame of reference on approach. I use the top of the HUD for the reference as I get closer to the tanker. TrackIR makes it harder because your point of view is always changing.

I can connect the TrackIr to my Macbook no problem, the thing is, when I move my head forward I have no frame of reference, and I use the Nav ruler for that purpose on approach. Once that is gone, I'm just totally lost. Also, Tomcat always wants to go up. It's like the vortex of the wash is a magnet. Even if I add a little throttle it starts rising really quickly. It's hard to anticipate because you have to get the moment JUST RIGHT, add stick too soon and you will drop down and out of the refuelling position. Once I'm in the wash I am stuck there. Usually though, I never get there in the first place, since I approach from a lower postion. But, as you said, Tomcat baloons upwards. I knew I forgot something. Dammit. I should've set the bomb mode. I was too preoccupied with making the video. After about 40 attempts I need a break. As for PIO - in the helicopter I can easily anticipate the movement. I "feel" it. Here, it's totally different because the movement is not continuous. It sort of stops for a second, then starts swaying again giving you the false idea that everything is well trimmed and fine. I feel so incompetent. I saw a guy fire a Maverick whilst refueling inverted in an F/A-18 on Hoggit!

This isn't my best attempt, but it shows what I'm doing pretty much. I usually do better than this, but this time I just got tired of doing the same thing over and over again and cut the video and quit DCS. https://youtu.be/UadcdwYoqgw P.S. I've warned you - your eyes will bleed

S3 Refuel How do you correct for PIO in F-14? It feels like my input comes 5 seconds later even with 0 curves. It stays in the same spot and then it starts moving again. Unless I have a death grip on the joystick it is hard to keep it still... maybe I’ll reduce my deadzone to 0. That should make my hand travel less. Edit: if I record a video your eyes will bleed - all the settings are lowest except textures and the frame rate is like 20. It’s flyable though. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I don't think slower makes things easier. I am setting the tanker to my stall speed or just near that. I think this is the usual refuel speed is it not? I think I've read that in the manual that for these smaller planes the refueling speed is at around 250+ knots... I don't remember where I've heard that. Even with +15 curves (my usual setting) the plane goes crazy near the cone. It flies up and over the S3. The acceleration is rampant. I'm looking at my X-55 at times and the notches on the throttle hardly ever go beyond three bars. it stay at 0-10% and even those movements are so small I hardly even touch the thing. Still it gains momentum really fast and goes wild. I am aware that if I don't keep my throttle down I will keep accelerating, but that's not the point. I am aware that if I get into jetwash I am too high, it's impossible to connect in the wash as you lose the load on the wing. I'm not saying I'm the best, I'm just trying to tell you I know the basics. :) I'm gonna try again... and again... and again... Out of 20 or so tries so far only 5 were crashing into the plane, about 7 of them took me too long to line up, the rest I've just restarted out of frustration. No connection so far. I haven't felt this incompetent since NES TopGun - I could never land the F-14 on the carrier in that game. Jesus Christ, I've flown WW1 bombers in Rise of Flight more responsive than this. EDIT: I've just tried the quick mission refuel training. The speed of the tanker is at 700 knots or smoething like that, and the same thing happens. I've had contact for a millisecond, but it disconnected because the plane just can't keep the same speed - it want to go faster or slower or it wants to go up for every miniscule increase in throttle.

No, I know how the curves work. I just don't want to use them. From my experience, they don't really work if you want to do a proper dogfight becasue the turn rate slows your airframe down. Of course with curves this would be much easier. But you can't really switch between two modes, neither could the pilot. I also don't measure how much my throttle moves, I'm saying what it "feels like". And it feels like with little input you get a lot of momentum. You don't get that in other planes. F-14 feels to me unwiedly and awkward. Especially in a jetwash. You can't be on his left wing, because it contradicts the point you've made before "stay out of jetwash". If you even touch his aerodynamic trail, you will lose all control of the aircraft. Also, S3 is extremely small, being on his left wing means you are literally in collsion range with the Aircraft. The only way to approach it seems to be climbing slowly on the left side, keeping his wing on the heading ruler of the HUD. The one thing I do like is the lock-on mode that gives you the rate of closure. I'm gonna try this in a second, because this is driving me nuts. Try my mission, you have to connect with the plane before it hits the shoreline, so you have a visual que as to how long you have until refueling is not possible.

The mission would've been nice, except that I specifically said that I am trying to refuel from the S3, so it doesn't really follow the topic. Thanks for the effort, though.

My Mission, if anyone wants to try it. This is the one that is driving me nuts. I've set the S3 closer to the plane, because it's hard to catch up to it - you can't tell how far you are due to its small size. refuelingF-14trainingE2.rar

S3 doesn't have TACAN, but the locking seems like a good idea. That's the thing though - I don't fly behind it, I fly beneath it, but as soon as the cone drops the game thinks there is a giant plane in front of me and screws me up. I've made it to the point where I use the nav mode and fix on the wing of the S3, which occupies the left bar of the heading ruler on top. I've almost caught it a few times, but then I forgot to silence Jester and he said "A LITTLE TO THE LEFT" and I jumped in my seat from nearly getting a heart attack and flew over the S3 swearing and shotuing. Trust me, I'm on the radio all the time, it's all going "return pre-contact" "return pre-contact" "return pre-contact". I'd be banned if it was MP. That's the thing, S3 is so small that it makes it hard to reference it since you can't really see anything unless you move your head forward. And when you do - you lose your point of reference. But more than this - it is so small, that when you try to catch up to it, it's just a dot in front of you. Then you add throttle to gain on him and by the time you see ti it zooms past you. If you do it slow - you'll never catch up to it. So you kind of have to predict when you need to pop the break. And as for throttle I move it like 3 mm. I mean, seriously small movements. I've vertically landed a Harrier on a Carrier deck moving at 20 knots at night in storm, but this is even harder. My throttle is between 0 and 20%. Anything above that seems to make F-14 overtake the S3. My curves are undajusted. Since they were unadjusted in real F-14, I am thinking why should I adjust them? And besides, if I adjust them for refuelling, they are going to be unresponsive in a dogfight. I have tried adjusting curves before up to +15 for roll and pitch and maybe -5 or +17 on pedals (depending on the airframe), but in the end I've settled on a +5 dead zone on all axes. Thanks for the mission!

I think you're right. I've landed the Tomcat on the carrier at first attempt, but this is just driving me nuts. "Use the Force" indeed. "Looks like I've picked the wrong week to quit smoking" -© Airplane

I do it in bomb our auto mode, having watched the refueling tutorial video. Seriously bad throttle control. And you have to be at crash distance for him to deploy the cone. If you aren't - he will ask you to repeat attempt. This is infuriating. You trim it just right, but because Tomcat is so vast and fat (like a cross between an overweight cat, a stingray, and a giant kite), any miniscule increase in throttle means you start climbing like crazy. So you have to adjust the trimmer like crazy, if you're trimmed to the tanker flight path - forget about it. I've already crashed three or four times into him. I'm doing stall speeds at the index, having set the Texaco dude to 260 knots in editor. Still, I either zoom past him or I lose him and never gain unless I jam the throttle forward until it reaches 400 (which takes years to bleed, since it takes years to deploy the airbrake). And because the Viking is so small, I can't see him at all. Only the cone, which swings wildly as my aicraft loses all stability due to incredibly exaggerated jetwash. It doesn't help that this is my first attempt at air refueling ever. But I swear to God, I could keep a damaged F-5E in a thunderstorm in a formation better than I can reach that cone in perfect weather on a Tomcat.

How do you refuel from a Viking? As soon as the cone is deployed, by some magic your plane starts violently moving up and down and even a miniscule change in throttle percentage either sends it forward into the refueling aircraft or makes it drop. This is by far the worst throttle in the game, and I have all the modules. The reaction time on this thing is atrocious and the travel that is needed for the adjustments is horrible - moving from 250 knots to over 300 is a 3mm difference on X-55, not to mention the confusing speedometer. This is ridiculous. No matter how much you trim the plane beforehand, the trim goes out the window when he deploys the cone. I spend maybe a quarter of the tank trying to connect. Not only is it not viable option to refuel, I would rather land on the carrier twenty times than do this. There is no point of reference. You can't see him becasue the cone drops below the aircraft and he is blocked by the canopy support. So you just have to "imagine" where the aircraft is. I don't use TrackIR (I have it, but it's just awful). So, what's the way to go about this?

I'm flying quite close to him for quite some time, but he still won't drop it even is I ask to do so on the radio. The refuelling checklist is done and aircraft is trimmed. Oh, I see. You have to be higher and much closer to him. That's weird, since that's not how it worked in one of the quick missions. I suppose the S3 is like the airbrake in F-14: works when it wants to.

Viking won't lower the refuelling cone. The mission is set to Air Refuelling, but when I approach it, he just doesn't do it even though he acknowledges it on the radio. .

Much Obliged

How do you mute just Jester?

Спс, но ченжлоги одно, а на деле - VEAO! Как "ощущается" модуль? Сыровато или летать можно?

Друзья, повторю свой вопрос:

23й до сих пор летает в других странах и у нас долго был главным истребителем в небе, это легендарная машина. Это ещё не сверхзасекреченный ЛА который симулирован на 30%, но уже не старьё вроде балалайки и для 14го достойный противник

F-15E это ещё можно пережить, но 23й - нет