aphelion79

Geesh, why would anyone want to fly a helicopter in a modern battlefield with all these defenses against them? :joystick: Sure sounds like the planning and execution of the flight will be just as fun as blowing things up. The reward of running tree lines and sneaking up through enemy defenses to achieve mission success sounds like it will be most of the fun! :D Actually killing your target is just the icing on the cake at that point! :P Thanks for all the info! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SACLOS Basically the method to break a lock is to break line of sight... sounds simple enough depending on the terrain :) however you have NO idea the missile is being launched! :) Scary! It also looks like SALCOS conveys a few types of missiles. TOW's (Wire Guided SALCOS) SA-8's (Radio Guided SALCOS) and there are also laser guided SALCOs (Do hellfires/vikhrs fall under that?) Also it looks like your Tunguska's fire SA-19s? Arn't those radar guided? http://www.army-technology.com/projects/tunguska/ The whole system seems to be radar based? (Same tunguska you were talking about?)

Apparently not. :) (Hint, hint... Wags... hint, hint...) :D

I just got my Instrument Rating a few weeks ago, I know quite well how NDB navigation works! :D I was just using that as an example (not sure if other countries have the same sort of air traffic control, thus requiring a transponder like the US does...) Otherwise thanks for the info! lol Very appropriate as it seems a few of us, at least, have not noticed this information. I knew the Shark fought in lower threat situations but I did not think of the enemy not even having radar to begin with. lol! Simply: Why no RWR? Because you'll never be shot at with radar guided weapons. Oh, okay. :D Now another question... : Since most sims have us being targeted by SAM sites that use Radar, etc. What types of anti air do we have to look for? What are the defensive maneuvers / procedures to survive these?

"IR Weapons are Passive" vs. Radar weapons actively track via radar data In other words... IR missile you have no idea its following you Radar missile you know very well (with appropriate reciever) (accurate?) "if your attacked with a radar weapon and didn't see it launch kiss your tailpipe goodbye." What do we have Chaff for then? To evade missile or to break lock before missile is even fired? (Doesn't the Radar weapon continually "paint" you with radar energy?) So for BOTH types you don't have any indication that the missile has launched except your Mk. I Eyeball right? :) I.E. Tactical intel. shows that SAM site should be at 10 o'clock after I come around this mountain... so I should be scanning that area to make sure I don't see any smoke trails! Otherwise I have no idea if the radar station is even seeing me, right? So in essence I can very easily get shot down without ever knowing a missile was launched at me before I get hit, right? Most games you have an MFD that shows you the site thats targeting you... if its targeting you ... if it launched a missile and the time until impact... just not sure if that's realistic or not! :) Always been curious about this... On a different subject very slightly related lol: Doesn't the KA-50 have a transponder or is that mostly a US thing? (Where as VORs seem to be US thing and NDBs more widely used outside of the states. I'm not to familiar with other countries forms of air traffic control.) Shouldn't that pick up any radar scans? lol

So I must understand the way SAM sites work... Don't most sites use a radar guided missile? I.E. When would I ever care if I was being laser designated? Most handhelds are heat seeking (IR), etc... Also, I real life... say a F-16 used an uncaged AIM9 (heat seaker) without any additional radar targeting against a target... how does that target know the missile is coming inbound does it reflect the IR back at the target or just "notice" it?

I don't notice the ole' Russian RWR reciever in the KA-50. How do you tell you're being targeted or designated etc?