mortalkombat

Sure mate, wathever makes you happy. The fight was oblique but still Sungho made rate the decisive factor by staying in lag. Talking Dunning Kruger huh. We could take it to DCS to see who's right. But hey, you got "nothing to prove". Take care ;).

He sure didn't go for radius. First fight was draining energy, second fight the Su was outrated by the 18 in the vertical. As a matter of fact the Su wanted to make it 1c hence radius but Sungho kept it clean 2c :smartass:. It's weird that I have to tell you that rate fight does not only include the straight horizontal two circle. Since we are apparently went from why a g limit is controversial and led to many good pilots not signing up, to measuring virtual dick sizes let's compare. I won the last big DCS tournament defeating many players including Sungho in May. This makes me think I can to a certain degree say that I have some rudimentary idea of bfm and have spent a decent time in DCS. Sungho won FOH because he is an outstanding pilot and imo the best pilot out there at the moment. That being said many of the pilots who won or landed in the top places of past tournaments and could have contested him did not participate. Some did not want to pay the entry fee, some did not want to support the cause, but some of them were not happy with the ruleset and thought it to be unfair for the reason I have laid down many times in this thread already. Wether not joining because of the rules is justified or not is anyone's guess. Lucky for you the best DCS mirage pilots I've come across also didn't sign up for tournament which is why you are able to discredit me by pointing at sungho winning without even having to go up against one (correct me if am wrong). Although not impossible, the skill needed for defeating the mirage in the 18 has to be significantly higher than the skill to defeat the 18 in the mirage with this ruleset. Just my two cents, but also what I've heard from others not participating. Ultimately I just wanted to point these DCS specific things to make you aware of it so rulesets can potentially be improved to match everyone's desire (eventhough this is unlikely). No confrontation intended (at least in my initial post). You went full amok mode and made fun of everyone contradicting you. You even discredited yourself by laughing at one user that compared certain aspects of real flying with dcs without you knowing that he is also a real life fighter pilot :thumbup:. It seems like you are trapped in being overly confrontative in this thread which is sad. Not everyone is talking bullshit eventhough it's the internet. Some have decent experience. Some may know certain things better than you. And some may even have real life fighter experience like you ;) Nevertheless the tournament was a fun to watch. Congratulations to sungho for an absolutely deserved win <3.

Have seen nothing to prove me wrong ;) Why didn't you ask sungho wether it's bullshit though. Sure would have been the chance. Btw Sungho ratefought against the Su-27 in the final round ^^

I did not like the rules. I left. Am I allowed to point out flaws of those rules to see them improved for the next event? Apparently not without being called ridiculous :thumbup:.

I think I made it very clear that I am not at all disputing Movers real life experience and skills. But as you said it yourself being a real life pilot has no bearing on being a video game expert. Input from real life pilots is certainly a blessing when it comes to procedures and real life performance, but is not acurrate regarding the performance of aircraft in DCS. Just because you aim to simulate as much as possible doesn't mean you are able to depict it realistically. I've gone up against real life pilots of different nations (believe me or not I don't mind) in DCS. Some of them were pretty decent, some of them were repeatedly making the most basic bfm mistakes. Having gone through real life fighter pilot training didn't make them competitive in DCS. Worse than internet warriors are people who tell to dare not to question the claims of real life pilots regardless the matter. In my initial post I was explaining why G-Limits are not a universal solution for balancing and why some people may find them misplaced and a reason to not participate. Furthermore I was pointing out that defending said G-Limits by saying "the F-18 doesn't have to be a rate fighter" is plain wrong. Go take part in FOH and go for the 1c against the M2000 and see yourself, or ask any of the top 10 participants if radius fighting in the 18 is an option against the Mirage. You chose the easy way mate. Mover is a real life pilot therefore what he says regarding a Sim must be correct no matter what people with years of experience in same sim say. If you chose to opt out of conversations because someone is presenting contradictory views so be it.

thank you

Lucky her. By the way I drive a Golf therefore I know how it performs in need for speed ;)

Of course it doesn't. Same goes for being a rl fighter pilot :)

Well, it may be to you, but actually it isn't to people reading your posts. When you make claims as "the F-18 doesn't have to be a rate fighter" while referring to DCS it matters if you have been able to actually put it to the test in DCS or if that claim is unsubtantial. I'm able to beat the F-18 easily in the F-86, given the pilot I go up against is bad enough. But I don't claim the F-86 is a more capable dogfighter. Tough I might, if I've never gone up against someone who beats me in that scenerio, which is where I see you. Also you mentioned in today's stream that you've gone up against Sungho and you uploaded that video on your channel. I did not see this video back in the days nor was I able to find it while searching now. I would gladly appreciate if you could post the link. Thanks in advance.

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I think I made my point pretty clear, why imposed G-Limits are arbitrary. I've heard no argument to counter that. Now the G-Limit for the Hornet is 8G. 7.5G + 0.5G. But why is it not 8.2G why only + 0.5G. Because the one who made the ruleset decided it's + 0.5G. Totally arbitrary. Letalone the fact that one does regularly exceed these limits even without hitting the paddle. Btw. the DCS F-18 also suffers from structural failure. A damaged wing will snap when a corresponding G load is exceeded. Depending on the damage this G-Load may even be achieved without the use of the paddle. It just won't snap by pulling withoug structural damage whilst hitting the paddle, as it most likely wouldn't also in real life. People seem to think the paddle just disables all limits and enables you disintegrate your plane just by pulling. This is most certainly isn't the case, as it just raises the G-Limit while the limiter is still in place. It's easy to brandmark all critique as rediculous. Still overperforming aircraft in different flight regimes always have and most certainly will be a problem in DCS. That being said, just employing G-limits to all planes is not the solution as problems with planes overperforming below the G-limit will not be adressed. Thank you.

Thank you :) Btw. why are you not participating? Show us how it's done mate ;)

Pretty much this. When one crawls up the ranks to the best virtual Pilots around one will soon see that very much to the contrary of real life dogfights the planes limitation is more important than the pilot skill, because skill is kind of equally distributed up there. Pretty much everyone who has contributed and made a place on the podium of past tournaments knows pretty well what he's doing. That's why even minor differences in aircraft performance can have a pretty big impact of the outcome of a fight. No offense Mover but I've seen your videos of flying bfm in DCS and whilst I have no reason to believe you are a bad real life pilot your performance in DCS is pretty far behind the performance of the top virtual pilots I've come across. That's why I think you are not yet experienced enough to tell if high Gs are needed when competing against certain other planes in DCS. What may be true for the real world doesnt need to hold true in DCS. Put the top dcs pilots up (small skill gap) against each other in 2 F-18 giving the first 7G and the second 9G. The 9G pilot will win 9/10 times just because of the ability to convert energy better. If me winning by using the ability to pull 9G is considered poor bfm so be it. In the end I still won. That's my personal experience, but I am sure many seasoned virtual pilots will agree. Rulesets are difficult. I can totally see why one would ban the paddle for a fight F-18 against F-16 as both have a somewhat realistic flight model plus strenghts and weaknesses to play. But I lack to see the fairness in taking away the paddle of an F-18 in a fight against a M2000 as does nothing more than heavily limiting the ability to win in the F-18, solely because the current performance of the M2000 in certain flight regimes is just as debatable as the use of the paddle. If the tournaments goal would be to find the best skilled pilot all would have to fly the same plane. Balancing the planes is impossible. In my opinion it would be best to let the players do what the game enables them to (without the use of cheats, hacks and glitches of course). Imposing artificial G-Limits does nothing but shift advantages from one plane to another whilst making it seem arbitrary. Nobody knows of many times a certain real life F-18 or F-14 can take 9Gs, so be it. The game DCS in it's current state enables you to pull 9Gs with impunity just like it enables you to turn at rediculous turn rates in the Mirage near stall speed. Many things in DCS may be unrealistic, but with your ruleset not all but only certain things get fixed. This understandibly causes frustration.

Same for us. We unfortunately also will miss the event.

The tournament was last year lads