TOViper Posted October 26, 2019 Posted October 26, 2019 (edited) Hello HB team! Please inhibit the behavior that the "Jester menu" pops up and then quickly disappears whenever a "Command X" button ( X = 1 to 8 ) is pressed but the Jester menu was not selected to be visible before. There is (obviously) no reason for the Jester menu to pop up by simply pressing a "Command X" button. This can be seen in the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A94TJgu-jsk .) In the first seconds I am simply pressing "Command" buttons 1 to 8. .) Then I open the menu and toogle it to the second page, and leave it with a third press. .) Then I press the "Command" buttons 1 to 8 again. .) Then I open it again, and close it with the "Close menu" key. .) Then again I press the "Command" buttons 1 to 8 again. The behavior is always the same. The menu pops up, and immediately disappears. There is a "Close menu" keybinding which works fine. Also cycling the "Toogle menu" keybinding works fine. Thanks for reading and kind regards, TOViper edit: title Edited March 31, 2020 by TOViper Visit https://www.viggen.training ...Viggen... what more can you ask for? my computer: AMD Ryzen 5600G 4.4 GHz | NVIDIA RTX 3080 10GB | 32 GB 3.2 GHz DDR4 DUAL | SSD 980 256 GB SYS + SSD 2TB DCS | TM Warthog Stick + Throttle + TRP | Rift CV1
TOViper Posted March 31, 2020 Author Posted March 31, 2020 Unfortunately this effect is still there: Pressing one on the command button without having the Jester menu open does some interaction with Jester. Are there plans to change the Jester menu strategy? I heard some changes might happen in the near future? Visit https://www.viggen.training ...Viggen... what more can you ask for? my computer: AMD Ryzen 5600G 4.4 GHz | NVIDIA RTX 3080 10GB | 32 GB 3.2 GHz DDR4 DUAL | SSD 980 256 GB SYS + SSD 2TB DCS | TM Warthog Stick + Throttle + TRP | Rift CV1
IronMike Posted April 3, 2020 Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) Thanks for the report, but just to understand: why are you pressing the command buttons, when the Jester menu is closed? Mapped otherwise for something else or as direct commands for Jester? It seems very circumstancial, and a rather minor cosmetic issue, not sure if really worth the effort, or if swither did not even make it on purpose like that as a feedback function. But I might be misunderstanding your point, too. Does it happens if you map the 1 to 8 keys with something else, too? Edited April 3, 2020 by IronMike Heatblur Simulations Please feel free to contact me anytime, either via PM here, on the forums, or via email through the contact form on our homepage. http://www.heatblur.com/ https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/
TOViper Posted April 3, 2020 Author Posted April 3, 2020 (edited) Thanks for the report, but just to understand: why are you pressing the command buttons, when the Jester menu is closed? Mapped otherwise for something else or as direct commands for Jester? It seems very circumstancial, and a rather minor cosmetic issue, not sure if really worth the effort, or if swither did not even make it on purpose like that as a feedback function. But I might be misunderstanding your point, too. Does it happens if you map the 1 to 8 keys with something else, too? Good morning Mike, and thanks for coming into my world :) Indeed, pressing Jester "command buttons" is mostly accidentally. Why is this you ask ... easy thing, but writing is hard ... so let me give a try: For VR flying I have assigned "Command 1" with NUM 8, "Command 2" with NUM 9, "Command 3 with NUM 6", and so on (clockwise like the Jester menu dial). Nice and handy. NUM ENTER activates the Jester menu. The NUM block - and this is an important part - is very handy to reach and hard to confuse while in VR ... When I switch to normal screen flying the other day (no VR), I accidentally use the NUM block for the viewing commands (NUM 4 would be VIEW LEFT SLOW, NUM 8 would be VIEW UP SLOW). So this means he receives Commands (whichever ... I dont know ... the ones from the first menu level?). And THIS circumstance made me write a thread for asking the devs (becaus I think it was not intentionally designed like it is). :smartass: Answering your second question: I didn't assign other keys than NUM X for the "command buttons" so far. For finding out I will try this with other buttons, but I would never use other buttons to be honest. Why? Same thing: The NUM block is definitely the best choice in terms of usability in VR, and it fits perfectly to the arrangement of the Jester menu dial! Will report back soon on this specific question! Regarding your comment: If it was a "feedback function" (what's that?) ... then directly pressing one of the command buttons would have a nice advantage: Activating Jester menu would not be necessary, but then selecting commands would be a "good guess" ... maybe commanding Jester to switch off the radar while MiG-29 is within 20 miles ... :D Edited April 3, 2020 by TOViper Visit https://www.viggen.training ...Viggen... what more can you ask for? my computer: AMD Ryzen 5600G 4.4 GHz | NVIDIA RTX 3080 10GB | 32 GB 3.2 GHz DDR4 DUAL | SSD 980 256 GB SYS + SSD 2TB DCS | TM Warthog Stick + Throttle + TRP | Rift CV1
IronMike Posted April 4, 2020 Posted April 4, 2020 Feedback function as in that the player knows that he pressed a command. But dunno if swither intended that, I have to ask him. I'll put down a tracker, but it's a minor issue, so it will drop down the list a bit. We'll take a look at some point though, Jester menu will get most attention when we add lantirn. In any case, thanks for letting us know. Heatblur Simulations Please feel free to contact me anytime, either via PM here, on the forums, or via email through the contact form on our homepage. http://www.heatblur.com/ https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/
TOViper Posted April 4, 2020 Author Posted April 4, 2020 Thanks Mike, I will do some further tests today to feed the tracker with usefule information. I assume there will be major changes in the future, so it might be helpful for you. You might have already noticed another thread about the "Command X" selections https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=268460 Kind regards, TOViper Visit https://www.viggen.training ...Viggen... what more can you ask for? my computer: AMD Ryzen 5600G 4.4 GHz | NVIDIA RTX 3080 10GB | 32 GB 3.2 GHz DDR4 DUAL | SSD 980 256 GB SYS + SSD 2TB DCS | TM Warthog Stick + Throttle + TRP | Rift CV1
TOViper Posted April 4, 2020 Author Posted April 4, 2020 Hello Mike, I did some tests today. I can do this with other keys for the "Command X" commandoes, like LCTRL+6 (the default combo) as well. It is not always behaving the same way. Sometimes, when entering a mission (alone on Caucasus), it is not possible to "overrule" it, but very often it is. You may try it out on your own, simply place an F-14B on the map, fly it from the front seat, and then press any of the "Command" buttons. Jester will then perform the command, which is in the first "level" when one would activate "Jester menu". Simple and easy to do ... OB 2.5.6.45915 Kind regards, TOViper Visit https://www.viggen.training ...Viggen... what more can you ask for? my computer: AMD Ryzen 5600G 4.4 GHz | NVIDIA RTX 3080 10GB | 32 GB 3.2 GHz DDR4 DUAL | SSD 980 256 GB SYS + SSD 2TB DCS | TM Warthog Stick + Throttle + TRP | Rift CV1
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