X52 (non-pro) replacement hall sensor?

[IonicRipper]

My X52's hall sensor went bad just a little before I got my X55. I contacted Saitek to try and get a replacement sensor but they are either unable or unwilling to send (or sell) me a replacement. Does anyone know if and where I can get a replacement hall sensor?

[Sokol1_br]

Try with Honeywell SS495A1, Allegro A1321 (more sensible) A1302 (less sensible.

 

Sokol1

[IonicRipper]

Those are the sensors only? Without the chip?

 

I'd rather look into getting a replacement or second hand chip... Less hassle.

[Sokol1_br]

What you call "chip"?

 

X-52 HOTAS USB controller is inside throttle unit, so if throttle work fine, the problem are in some stick component, most passive ON/OFF - buttons and HATS.

 

The HALL sensor used is like these linked, soldered on a small PCB - so easy to replace - and have a magnetic placed on stick gimbal.

 

A squad mate have a problem with magnet, he living in sea coast and the magnet rush and crumbled, he replace the magnet and work OK.

 

Other common fault of X-52 stick is on cable that hook stick to throttle, internal wires broken.

 

If you diagnostic are correctly - defective HALL sensor - try replace with one these linked, is not expensive - 2/3$. And probable better than one used by Saitek.

 

Sokol1

[IonicRipper]

This is what I meant by the chip.

 

 

I might just try ordering a sensor and solder it on like you suggested.

[kobac]

I would also like to replace hall sensors on my Saitek X52, but I don't know which to choose, because in my local store does not have any of these parts. Please, tell me which to choose?

 

Joystick behaves like this:

 

 

Just suddenly jumped up and change position, so stick in the cockpit suddenly moved from one position to another, and it is impossible to precisely control the plane.

[Sokol1_br]

These sensor in this store link are only switch - ON/OFF.

 

You need linear HALL sensor type. Look at eBay.

[kobac]

OK. Thank you Sokol1. But the A1321 sensor is no longer in production. Now I'm back in the dilemma which of these that are offered to choose?

Edited March 31, 2015 by kobac

[Sokol1_br]

Get the one that had more mV/G, what mean more sensitivity.

 

I think Saitek controller run on 3.5v (a trick to reduce spikes), check this and look at sensor datasheet if is compatible with this voltage.

[kobac]

I think then it would be this one A1324LUA-T (3-pin ultramini SIP through hole mount), because he has 5,0 mV/G, and they all have Forward Supply Voltage (Vcc) 8V. Or A1325LUA-T he has 3,125 mV/G.

 

P.S. I do not understand very well in electronics, so I expected someone will confirm or say which exactly hall sensor should buy. :(

Edited April 6, 2015 by kobac

[kobac]

I don't know how to solve twitching and shaking problem Saitek X52 joystick. I thought it was a problem to Hall sensors, but it's not, because I replaced them and it occurs mostly in the Y-axis.

 

 

See YT video how it welded in one position, and standing there for a while, even though I move stick.

 

 

 

Does anyone here know reasons for this problem, and how to solve?

 

By the way this is SaitekX52 hall sensor

 

Edited May 26, 2015 by kobac

[Pikey]

I don't know if this will help, I am chucking it out there.

 

Have you tried the X52 modification where you move the location of the magnets? It gives closer definition around the centered position and more powerful too.

 

If so...was that demo above shot with the modification? As the video only really shows disturbance off center and perhaps the root cause could be lack of magentism at the point in the stick movement that where the magnet is weakest?

 

My only other observation is that I've managed to swee my stick perform SIMILARLY where the power cord between the two came loose. Takign it out and reseating works, even in game (but need to launch Control panel, go figure?!) Is it possible there is a bad connection between the throttle and stick or interference along the wire running with other currents/magnetism?

 

Apologies for the randomness, i'm not really very good with electrickery, hoping I can provoke some alternate thinking...

[kobac]

I don't believe the problem is related to the weak magnetic field, because error doesn't occur in the other - the X axis, but only in the Y axis. In addition I have put four strong neodymium magnets.

 

I also do not understand much in electronics, but I see, there are some resistors that are located on the PCB. Possible, some of it is not working properly, if only someone could say what or which part is responsible for this behavior joystick, it would be nice.

 

I tried with the taking out and reseating cable from throttle to the stick, but it didn't help, and doesn't solve problem, except for calibration of joystick which is sometimes necessary to do because sometimes happens the cursor is in the lower position - halfway to the end point.

Edited May 27, 2015 by kobac

[kobac]

Yesterday I wrote Mad Catz technical support with the same question, to tell me what is causing this joystick behavior. They responded to me today that my warranty has expired. I ask you one thing and they correspond completely different :doh:

 

How is it that no one who could determine which electronic component is broken?

[Sokol1_br]

This axis behavior looks like a fault potentiometer, when the wiper momentarily loose contact with resistive trail due dirt or wear and make these "jumps".

 

In that case (as no potentiometer are involved) maybe a partially broken wire, that dependent on stick position loose contact momentarily.

 

You can suspect of the cable that came from X HALL sensor for stick PCB, the connector or solder on PCB and the cable between joystick and throttle (as the main controller reside inside throttle).

 

Is relatively common cases of trouble in this cable (between stick and throttle), since the cable is a keyboard PS2 extension, relative ease to find, try replacing this.

[kobac]

TY Sokol1 I'll look for that cable which connects throttle and stick. There probably is not cable which leads from hall sensor to the PCB, because I changed positions (swap) sensors and problem remained only on the Y-axis.

 

EDIT: I bought and replaced the PS/2 cable but the problem is not solved, it means it wasn't because of him. I also checked the solder and re-soldered places where wires are connected. It's kind of strange, these twitches most occur in the lower left quadrant, when the stick pulls to myself and left.

Edited May 30, 2015 by kobac

[vanzant_cl]

Hey Kobac, did you find the source of the issue?

I'm experiencing the same issue in both axis, and don't know what else i can do

[kobac]

No I have not found the cause of defect, and have no solution, MadCatz support is terrible and in my town there was one authorized service center for Saitek, but it is closed and it's gone. There in this forum, nobody told me what could be the cause, so I recently gave up playing DCS.

[vanzant_cl]

Well, after cleaning the pcb and the sensors with isopropilic alcohol the problem its almost gone, at the end of each axis it still vibrates but not enough to be a problem.

 

Tomorrow i will clean it again with alcohol and leave it for a few days to let it dry alone.

[Sokol1_br]

You inspect the magnets to see if the are intact?

[vanzant_cl]

yes, they are clean and no sign of rust nor stains

[aap_flanker]

By the way this is SaitekX52 hall sensor

 

 

The part number of the sensor is in the other side... The back side... This is the front of the sensor.

Could you share a pic of the back? Tks!