Mobius_cz Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 What is you favourite loadout with MI-8? Usually i am taking 100% fuel, 2xS-8KOM rocket pods and two GUV pods (machines guns + grenade launcher). What do you preffer for normal combat situation when you don't know what enemies you can expect? [sIGPIC]http://dcs-uvp.cz/images/userbars/uvp_bars_mic.gif[/sIGPIC]
airwar Posted April 17, 2014 Posted April 17, 2014 What is you favourite loadout with MI-8? Usually i am taking 100% fuel, 2xS-8KOM rocket pods and two GUV pods (machines guns + grenade launcher). What do you preffer for normal combat situation when you don't know what enemies you can expect? 2xKa-50 will be the best solution :thumbup: 1
Mobius_cz Posted April 21, 2014 Author Posted April 21, 2014 MI-8 with 100% fuel and everything put off is about 9618kg heavy. I read this chopper is able to carry 30 people. But when i have my usual loadout with armor plates and 4x GUV pods and 2x rocket pods then it is 127xx kg. So MI-8 is capable to carry just troops or weapons only? Oh yes, you can always take off armor, use just two weapon slots or take less fuel or anything else. But my question is, can you take off with more than 13 000kg of payload or not? Take for example this situation. Your mission is to take 12 soldiers to the frontline and be able to cover them with your main weapons and it is 200 km to the landing zone. To make it easy let's say 1 soldier is 100kg. How will you prepare your MI-8 for this task? [sIGPIC]http://dcs-uvp.cz/images/userbars/uvp_bars_mic.gif[/sIGPIC]
Flagrum Posted April 21, 2014 Posted April 21, 2014 MI-8 with 100% fuel and everything put off is about 9618kg heavy. I read this chopper is able to carry 30 people. But when i have my usual loadout with armor plates and 4x GUV pods and 2x rocket pods then it is 127xx kg. So MI-8 is capable to carry just troops or weapons only? Oh yes, you can always take off armor, use just two weapon slots or take less fuel or anything else. But my question is, can you take off with more than 13 000kg of payload or not? Take for example this situation. Your mission is to take 12 soldiers to the frontline and be able to cover them with your main weapons and it is 200 km to the landing zone. To make it easy let's say 1 soldier is 100kg. How will you prepare your MI-8 for this task? I'd task 2 Ka-50 to get in first and cover me. :o)
Paradox Posted April 21, 2014 Posted April 21, 2014 Take for example this situation. Your mission is to take 12 soldiers to the frontline and be able to cover them with your main weapons and it is 200 km to the landing zone. To make it easy let's say 1 soldier is 100kg. How will you prepare your MI-8 for this task? If I have sane commanders 12 soldiers would be sent into a situation with relatively low intensity resistance so I would take IR suppressors (in case of MANPADS), extra armour (should be resistant to most small arms) and UPK-23-2 gunpods only in addition to the 12 soldiers. As for fuel I would give myself enough for the trip there and the trip back (at full weight) plus a 20 minute reserve for diversions/ emergencies. I don't think I should need more but that loadout probably is light enough to let me equip some rocket pods if I should need them.
airwar Posted April 21, 2014 Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) MI-8 with 100% fuel and everything put off is about 9618kg heavy. I read this chopper is able to carry 30 people. But when i have my usual loadout with armor plates and 4x GUV pods and 2x rocket pods then it is 127xx kg. So MI-8 is capable to carry just troops or weapons only? Oh yes, you can always take off armor, use just two weapon slots or take less fuel or anything else. But my question is, can you take off with more than 13 000kg of payload or not? Take for example this situation. Your mission is to take 12 soldiers to the frontline and be able to cover them with your main weapons and it is 200 km to the landing zone. To make it easy let's say 1 soldier is 100kg. How will you prepare your MI-8 for this task? I think the best solution max 20 soldiers, full tanks, all armor and no weapons. Helicopter should be light and maneuverable. Low level, max speed night flight + NVG. When you reach LZ you will have 50% fuel. If you get a failure of one engine from the ground fire, you can land or fly back. Forget about the shooting. You have 20 people on board. If they die, the whole mission will fail. Let 2xKa-50 (Mi-24) protect you from the ground fire. Edited April 21, 2014 by airwar
Paradox Posted April 21, 2014 Posted April 21, 2014 I think the best solution max 20 soldiers, full tanks, all armor and no weapons. Helicopter should be light and maneuverable. Low level, max speed night flight + NVG. When you reach LZ you will have 50% fuel. If you get a failure of one engine from the ground fire, you can land or fly back. Forget about the shooting. You have 20 people on board. If they die, the whole mission will fail. Let 2xKa-50 protect you from the ground fire. The problem with this solution is that you're committing 20% of all of the Ka-50 assets that exist in the world, I prefer a solution that seems plausible given the very limited deployment of Ka-50s IRL. When we get our Mi-24 we can emulate the tactics employed in Afghanistan to the enjoyment of everyone involved. That will be a good day.
Flagrum Posted April 21, 2014 Posted April 21, 2014 The problem with this solution is that you're committing 20% of all of the Ka-50 assets that exist in the world, I prefer a solution that seems plausible given the very limited deployment of Ka-50s IRL. When we get our Mi-24 we can emulate the tactics employed in Afghanistan to the enjoyment of everyone involved. That will be a good day. Errm, are you serious about the Ka-50s? You don't fly or even let the AI fly the Ka-50 because IRL they aren't available so much? And when you have to eject, you wait for an hour, but nobody comes to pick you up ... so you walk home to your air base? Sorry, but ... :doh: (besides the fact that those 20% of all Ka-50 currently in service would otherwise just sit useless in their hangars while your troops die in that Mi-8 ...) But fwiw, I would not mind replacing the Ka-50 with Mi-24 then and when as well. :o)
airwar Posted April 21, 2014 Posted April 21, 2014 (edited) The problem with this solution is that you're committing 20% of all of the Ka-50 assets that exist in the world :thumbup: Let 2xKa-50 (Mi-24) protect you from the ground fire. Edited April 21, 2014 by airwar
esb77 Posted April 21, 2014 Posted April 21, 2014 Or use mission editor to insert a pair of Mi-24s to cover you, if you aren't satisfied with the AI's handling of them then just add a few more. For the most part though a Mi-8 is wasted in a gunship role, it could be more useful carrying cargo. Loading up on the weapons is a sign that your area of operations is in desperate need of being assigned more CAS such as Mi-24, Ka-50, Su-25, Su-25T. For silly fun nothing beats 6 S-8 pods or 4 S-8 pods and 2 12.7 mm gun pods. You really shouldn't be carrying troops in that case though. Callsign "Auger". It could mean to predict the future or a tool for boring large holes. I combine the two by predictably boring large holes in the ground with my plane.
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