MBot Posted May 1, 2014 Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) I have been trying to compile a list of units that operated the type in the Warsaw Pact air forces. This is mostly for personal historical interest, but might also become useful to for setting up DCS scenarios in the future. Please note that the list only includes the MiG-21bis and no other sub-variants. I think the OOB for the USSR and GDR are fairly accurate but would appreciate any input on Poland, Hungary and Bulgaria. USSR: VVS (Frontal Aviation) 773. IAP, 1973-1985, Damgarten, East Germany 833. IAP, 1973-1979, Jüterbog-Altes Lager, East Germany 192. IAP, 1978-1984, Mimon-Gradchany, Czechoslovakia, 1984-1989 Ivano-Frankovsk, Ukrainian SSR 159. IAP, 1982-1988, Kluczewo, Poland 582. IAP, 1980s, Choyna, Poland 515. IAP, 1982-1988, Tököl, Hungary 104. IAP, 1974-1989, Manita, Mongolia 27. IAP, 1974-1992, Ucharal, Kazakh SSR 145. IAP, 1978-1986, Ivano-Frankovsk, Ukrainian SSR (1982-1983, Bagram, Afghanistan) 120. IAP, 197?-1978, Bereza-Osovitsy, Byelorussian SSR 927. IAP, 1978-1986, Bereza-Osovitsy, Byelorussian SSR (1983-1984, Bagram, Afghanistan) USSR: PVO (Air Defense Aviation) 308. IAP-PVO, 1983-1990, Postovaya, Russian SSR East Germany JG-8, 1976-1990, Marxwalde, East Germany JG-9, 1974-1990, Peenemünde, East Germany Poland 1980-2003, Gdynia Babie Doly, Poland 1980-2004, Malbork, Poland 1980-2004, Poznan, Poland Hungary 31. HRE, 1975-199?, Taszár, Hungary 47. HRE, 1977-2000, Pápa, Hungary Bulgaria 1983-2000 19. IAP, 1983-1990 Yugoslavia (possible WP opponent/ally) 204. LAP (1 sqd), 1977-, Batajnica 83. LAP (1 sqd) 1983-1999, Priština 117. LAP (2 sqds), 1983-1991, Željava Units are regiments/geschwader of approx. 36 aircraft each. It is interesting to note how short the service life of the type was, especially in Soviet service. I think this shows nicely how this type, being the last variant of the MiG-21 family, was entering service alongside the next-generation MiG-23M. It was also a syptom in the USSR in general that aircraft would be quickly replaced by more modern variants/types. The VVS MiG-23 force in East Germany (9 regiments) for example was also reequipped surprisingly quick with MiG-29 in the mid-80s after having themselfe replaced the MiG-21 only 10 years ago. Also interesting is how the MiG-21bis had a longer service life with the WP allies, which all had skipped the introduction of the MiG-23 on a large scale, waiting for the MiG-29 instead. Edited May 1, 2014 by MBot Yugoslavia added
Dudikoff Posted May 1, 2014 Posted May 1, 2014 (edited) What about ex-Yugoslavia? They also had the bis and (depending on the scenario) could be an option for both sides (NATO or WP). Although, you could make a similar (though less likely) scenario for some WP nations, too (e.g. Poland, etc.). There's a list of units operating the bis in 1991., but I'm not sure how correct it is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Air_Force Edited May 1, 2014 by Dudikoff i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
MBot Posted May 1, 2014 Author Posted May 1, 2014 Very good point about Yugoslavia. If the Soviet Southern Group of Forces in Hungary was to be used against Italy it had to violate neutral Yugoslavia (the other option was going through neutral Austria into Germany). So that makes MiG-on-MiG combat quite likely in that region. Exciting scenario :) Do you think that Yugoslavia aligning with Warsaw Pact was a likely scenario? I was always under the impression that most fortifications in Yugoslavia were facing east.
lunaticfringe Posted May 1, 2014 Posted May 1, 2014 Also interesting is how the MiG-21bis had a longer service life with the WP allies, which all had skipped the introduction of the MiG-23 on a large scale, waiting for the MiG-29 instead. If they knew then what they know now, the Russians would have skipped the MiG-23, too. ;)
Dudikoff Posted May 2, 2014 Posted May 2, 2014 (edited) Do you think that Yugoslavia aligning with Warsaw Pact was a likely scenario? I was always under the impression that most fortifications in Yugoslavia were facing east. Well, being a strictly defensive force (of questionable quality in general as it was composed of conscripts), being on either side was realistically rather unlikely unless they were invaded themselves though when I mentioned it, I was thinking of the NATO force as most of the other European MiG-21 users were on the WP side (except Finland). AFAIK, the alignment was dependent on the exact timeframe at hand, but after the split with Stalin in 1948., the armed forces were mostly expecting attack from WP countries and they were training for that. Only in mid-80s did they start to train against a NATO invasion although this was also related to the strategic reform of the armed forces to better deal with internal threats (like e.g. potential separatist forces the side on which the NATO might intervene). Edited May 2, 2014 by Dudikoff i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
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