new manpad system in Russia-Verba

[Kaktus29]

what do you guys think how it works.. the ability to fire before a target passes you or "advance" firing would mean a system of delivering information of target before you can lock/see it on your manpad and firing into that direction while missile re-locks as it closes on the target.. this is my idea at least..

 

maybe manpads have a link to EW and other SAM's or maybe even Fighter jets etc.. thus knowing enemy target moving in their position or not...

 

it would make sense.. so far this Verba system is truly one of a kind.. man with this imagine how hard DCS would be for us pilots.. every radar ping we get is information to those pesky manpadders down below waiting to blow u if you dare lower your altitude more than 20.000 feet..

 

http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20140530/190242026/Russian-Paratroopers-Receive-Newest-Verba-Shoulder-Fired.html

Edited May 30, 2014 by Kaktus29
forgot to post the link..duh

[Scrim]

Linking a MANPAD to any sort of radar hardly makes any sense. They're very short range, and the reason that MANPADs today kill more planes than any radar guided missiles do is because it's impossible to jam them, or send ARMs against them.

[esb77]

Putting a radar unit on a MANPADS launcher doesn't make sense, because it's probably not going to be man portable after you do that.

 

Putting a receiver for a datalink to other units (which is what that article seems to be about) on a MANPADS launcher is a great way to make it less likely that flying low, fast, and using terrain masking will do any good if trying to counter MANPADS.

 

Basically, they're trying to remove a bunch reaction time during the launch process, and to improve situational awareness of the incoming target's location.

 

Still requires the operator to be ready and have the launcher positioned etc., and I'm sure they put in some sort of manual override (if they didn't they will after the first time it fails disastrously in battle due to failure to link to command and control units).

 

So a big improvement for well trained troops with appropriate support, not so impressive for people sitting under a tree playing cards and having a smoke.

Edited May 30, 2014 by esb77

[Scrim]

From reading the article, I interpreted it as that this MANPAD was an autonomous system.

[AlexHunter]

"Barnaul-T" system, electronic intelligence and automated control for the purposes of targeting and distribution between the arrows to MANPADS, interact with other air defenses. In the embodiment of BTR-3D will be used in the Army Airborne

 

barnaul-T

-Bhecq3SDM8

 

 

complex "Barnaul-T"

 

ASU defense complex Airborne Troops "Barnaul-T"

 

Portable fire control module (PMUO) 9S933 platoon commander

Edited May 31, 2014 by AlexHunter

[AlexHunter]

I can not say this new MANPADS refers to "Verba" or not, but his promo clip showed MANPADS in the Tula KBP president at 5:28

 

full all video

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PS Just there is a manufacturer and developer of Igla-S MANPADS probably also have something these new

[Emu]

Linking a MANPAD to any sort of radar hardly makes any sense. They're very short range, and the reason that MANPADs today kill more planes than any radar guided missiles do is because it's impossible to jam them, or send ARMs against them.

Some SAM radars are very long range though. Often well beyond the capabilities of their associated missiles. Some are just standalone units too.

[AlexHunter]

Portable air defense systems (MANPADS) "Verba":

 

Portable air defense systems (MANPADS ) . Developed probably KBM ( Kolomna ) . In 2007, the complex has undergone flight tests . As of 2008 it was planned to Adopt the end of the year . State tests conducted in 2009-2010 Service testing stage OCD started at the site 726 th training center ground troops in the Krasnodar Territory g.Eysk June 9, 2011 During 2011 it is planned to complete the development work on the creation of complex and procured under Order 2011 250 MANPADS for land troops.

 

Guidance and control system - the rocket is equipped with new tri-band optical GOS.

 

Engine - SRBs

 

TTX MANPADS :

Warhead weight - 1.5 kg

 

Range - 500-6400 m

Height ordinances - 10-4500 m

Target speed - 500 m / s

 

The reaction time of MANPADS - to 8

 

Text without translation:

Переносной зенитный ракетный комплекс (ПЗРК). Разработан, вероятно, КБ Машиностроения (г.Коломна). В 2007 г. комплекс прошел летно-конструкторские испытания. По состоянию на 2008 г. планировалось принятие на вооружение до конца года. Государственные испытания проведены в 2009-2010 г.г. Войсковые испытания на стадии ОКР начаты на полигоне 726-го учебного центра сухопутных войск в г.Ейск Краснодарского края 9 июня 2011 г. В течение 2011 г. планируется завершить ОКР по созданию комплекса и закупить в рамках заказа на 2011 г. 250 ПЗРК для сухопутных войск.

 

Система управления и наведение - ракета оснащена новой оптической трехдиапазонной ГСН.

 

Двигатель - РДТТ

 

ТТХ ПЗРК:

Масса БЧ - 1.5 кг

 

Дальность действия - 500-6400 м

Высота поряжения - 10-4500 м

Скорость цели - до 500 м/с

 

Время реакции ПЗРК - до 8 с

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