DocSigma Posted November 1, 2014 Posted November 1, 2014 I always heard that the Sabre was a fantastic dogfighter. It seems the window for optimal maneuverability is pretty small. It's pretty bad - in my terrible hands - at medium speeds, and at high speeds as well. I always thought the Sabre's advantage with its big wings was its great dogfighting ability at low speeds and high speeds, being able to out maneuver its contemporary counterparts - Mig15. It seems like it's getting into spins far too readily - a thing that the 15 was known for but not the Sabre. It also has poor control at supersonic or close to sonic speeds - another thing the 15 was known for and not the Sabre. I heard Sabre pilots say in interviews that the Sabre was as rock solid a dogfighting platform they'd ever flown, which with its inferior armaments in comparison to the Mig, gave it it's only advantage against it's primary adversary - minus the skill of the very veteran WWII pilots piloting the Sabre. I pretty much know squat about actually flying this plane, or any plane for that matter, but does the flight model need some tweaking? It's most likely the obvious: my poor flying skills; but, just thought I'd ask. Thanks for any comments. Ryzen9 5800X3D, Gigabyte Aorus X570 Elite, 32Gb Gskill Trident DDR4 3600 CL16, Samsung 990 Pr0 1Tb Nvme Gen4, Evo860 1Tb 2.5 SSD and Team 1Tb 2.5 SSD, MSI Suprim X RTX4090 , Corsair h115i Platinum AIO, NZXT H710i case, Seasonic Focus 850W psu, Gigabyte Aorus AD27QHD Gsync 1ms IPS 2k monitor 144Mhz, Track ir4, VKB Gunfighter Ultimate w/extension, Virpil T50 CM3 Throttle, Saitek terrible pedals, RiftS
kontiuka Posted November 2, 2014 Posted November 2, 2014 I don't know anything about the real plane either but just from practising, I find I'm ok if I keep a turning speed of 300 kts or so and don't pull so hard on the stick that the airframe buffets. That's when you get the undesirable flip-overs and spins. I've also tweaked my pitch axis with a curve of 25. That seemed to help. I'm still not great but I'm ok.
gavagai Posted November 2, 2014 Posted November 2, 2014 I've never heard of the Sabre being such a world-beater the way the OP describes it. The Mig-15 was a tough adversary. That said, keep in mind that our F-86 is a variant without leading edge slats, and those would do a lot to prevent accelerated stalls. Eventually we'll have the opinion of someone who has actually flown an F-86. P-51D | Fw 190D-9 | Bf 109K-4 | Spitfire Mk IX | P-47D | WW2 assets pack | F-86 | Mig-15 | Mig-21 | Mirage 2000C | A-10C II | F-5E | F-16 | F/A-18 | Ka-50 | Combined Arms | FC3 | Nevada | Normandy | Straight of Hormuz | Syria
SgtPappy Posted November 2, 2014 Posted November 2, 2014 (edited) I find it to be the easiest plane to fly. It never really gets into spins, it just drops a wing which is perfectly normal especially for early swept wing planes. Do not yank hard. Find out how to feel the plane out, because maneuvering above 250 kn should be easy as cake. Adjust the curvature of your y-axis and trim well. You should be fine. The unslatted version stalls at a relatively high speed around 120 kn, which is realistic. The transonic handling is extremely realistic. The MiG will rip apart. A Sabre will not and is easy to recover. That is what it was known for being able to do, not just smashing through Mach 1 with no problems. A good read would be the Owner's Workshop Manual for the F-86. It's not an actual manual, but has tonnes of good info. Edited November 2, 2014 by SgtPappy
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