How-to: Add waypoints on the ABRIS

[Gargoyle1]

Hey guys!

 

Before we start, all the credit here goes to Banjo for making this great tutorial. I would suggest heading on over to his YouTube channel here- https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZ9nEKpd4ETHrozhhbmVB0Q

 

He makes alot DCS videos and tutorials, as well as ARMA 3 stuff.

 

Anyway, this video shows you how to manually add ABRIS waypoints manually which I have been trying to figure out how to do for a long time now. Big thank you to Banjo. Here is the video

 

 

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[StrongHarm]

Also, be aware of the ERBLE/INFO/INFO/TO method of quick single point WP creation. I use this to figure my point of attack. While searching with ERBLE you see elevations, so it shows you not only the best highpoint with terrain mask, but also whether the route there will be exposed to the target. Once you find the best position from ERBLE, use INFO/TO and it will create a line from your current position, a persistent dot at the point you choose, plus standard 'next waypoint' output such as time and distance.

 

To remove the temp single point WP, just go to the Plan page and choose Load.. this will reload your original programmed waypoints.

 

Marking with Datalink/Ingress is a valid alternative, but provides less intel.

Edited November 30, 2014 by StrongHarm

[arkroyale048]

How about if I want to create markpoints ?

 

Like I still want the original flight plan loaded. But I want to create mark points; which can also act as nav point (not the ABRIS 1) tank 2)SAM 3) other markpoint).

 

I want to have a point where I can have that line and route to the target; while at the same time still have the original flight plan.

 

(i.e. TMS right short on the TAD in the A-10C)

[StrongHarm]

I like to add an enemy weapon threshold line to the ABRIS when I'm ingressing on a dangerous AO. This allows me to maintain proper standoff from different angles while searching for a good popup position. If you want to add a temp WP, you can do that with the method I mentioned in my last post, then to go back to the original just goto PLAN > LOAD, and it will restore your original plan. This method has many advantages over simple map lines. But, here's the map line method:

 

KA50 Manual 7-81, p.261

Adding and editing map lines

Lines can be plotted on the map to denote phase lines, free-fire areas, FEBA, etc. To create a map line, or geometric figure formed by straight line segments, use the following procedure:

1. Press the SELECT FSK button from the PLAN sub-mode page and select the ADD INF option from the menu. Press the SELECT FSK button again.

2. Use the cursor manipulator to move the black square cursor to the map location where you want the line to start and press the ADD LIN FSK button.

3. The screen will now display the LINE page and the flight information area will display the line start coordinates, parameters characterizing the line to be plotted, and the line color list. By pressing the COLOR FSK button, you can select the line color.

4. Using the cursor manipulator control, move the cursor to where you want the line to end and press the ENTER FSK button. A line will now be drawn between the two ends. You can repeat this process to create multi-jointed lines or polygons.

5. If you wish to exit the mode without entering data into the database, press the CANCEL FSK button without pressing the ENTER button.

 

[arkroyale048]

Cool. this is indeed very useful.

 

One question: The line that you generated; can it be sent to wingman via datalink ?

[StrongHarm]

No, the only way to comm points with wingman is Datalink (dolly). You can send the wingman an Ingress Point and multiple Target Points. If you want a quick easy way to interact with Datalink and wingmen, try my Voice Activated Commands (VAC) profile. I just have to say the following:

1. Designate target mover

2. Select target mover 1

3. Send to wingman two

4. Wingman two, engage datalink multiple targets

 

The alternative is .. I don't know how many button pushes.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=49421

[arkroyale048]

I see... Well my wingmen are usually human players. I usually only play in multiplayer... So I want to have a way of marking boundaries for them not to stray over.

 

VAC is a real neat tool. Great work on your profile. But I barely have an application for it at the moment.

[StrongHarm]

Ahh ok. In that case you might just give them FROM/TO MGRS Coords.. while viewing F10 as a reference. Up to them whether they plot it in ABRIS at that point. I personally don't think using F10 like a map is unrealistic. When you see real time enemy positions on it.. that might be a different story heheh. Have fun!

[arkroyale048]

Are there any other special symbols... shapes that I can draw on the ABRIS ? I've seen a few single player missions (and even fewer multiplayer missions). Where there are other things on the abris... Such as border markers (according to the terrain). A box marker (search and rescue).

 

Would be nice to be able to access that.

 

 

 

Slightly off topic here:

 

Can I use VAC for ATC's and FARPS instead of wingmen ?

[StrongHarm]

The markers you see on the ABRIS are probably NAV TGT Points with descriptions. You can add these in the Editor by selecting a KA-50, then the tab in the helo properties that has a square in it. Click on the map to place a NAV TGT Point, then add a description to it. You'll see this point on your ABRIS, and you'll also be able to access it with your PVI and autopilot to it. The best aspect of NAV TGT Points is that if you have one selected on your PVI and you uncage your Shkval, it will autoslew to that NAV TGT Point. You can also add NAV TGT Points inflight as detailed in the manual, and in the excerpt below.

 

KA-50 Manual 10-18, p.364

Ingress to a Target Point Using Route Mode

10 target points (TP) can be stored in the PVI-800 navigation system. Each TP coordinate is loaded into the navigation computer from the Mission Editor or manually while in flight. While in flight, the Route mode can be used to navigate from any WP to any selected TP by the shortest distance. This can be done with heading stabilization in DH or DT sub-modes. In addition to an "ОТ" (TP) symbol on the HUD, the target‟s bearing and the distance are also displayed if the target is less than 100 km away. Ingress procedure:

 Disengage ROUTE mode by setting the "МАРШРУТ-СНИЖЕНИЕ" (ROUTE - DESCENT) switch on the collective to the neutral position. This will cause the "МАРШРУТЗК/ МАРШРУТЛЗП" (ROUTE DH / ROUTE DT) light to go off.

 Press the "ППМ" (WP) push-light on the Navigation Control panel and its light will go off, as well as the WP number indication on the display.

 Press the "ОТ" (TP) push-light and its light will illuminate.

 From the Navigation Control panel keypad, press the button with the TP number that appears on the display. Navigation data for automatic flight to the TP from the helicopter‟ current position is processed and indicated on the HSI, Navigation Control panel, and HUD.

 Engage ROUTE mode by setting the "МАРШРУТ-СНИЖЕНИЕ" (ROUTE – DESCENT) switch on the collective to the ROUTE position. The helicopter will then initiate an automatic turn towards the TP.

When approaching a TP, the "КОНЕЦМАРШРУТА" (Last waypoint; End of route) light illuminates. 2 km after passing over a TP, the ROUTE Mode will disengage, the "КОНЕЦМАРШРУТА" (Last waypoint; End

 

KA-50 Manual 11-5, p.393

Designate Target Points

The Ka-50 navigation-targeting system can store up to 10 Target Points (TP), which can be actual targets or ingress points. Setting a TP can be done in two ways:

 Target Point fly-over. In this scenario, the TP is the ground coordinate that the helicopter was flying over when the TP was created.

 Shkval I-251 Designation. Using the Shkval system and the laser rangefinder, a ground location can be designated and set as a TP. This is done by determining range and bearing between designation point and ownship.

Fly-Over Target Point Designation

1. Set the Mode selector dial on the Navigation Control panel to the "ВВОД" (Enter) position.

2. Set "И-251В– ПРОЛ" (INU fix-taking method) switch to the "ПРОЛ" (Over-fly) position.

3. Press "ОТ" (Target point) push-light.

4. Select the TP number you wish to assign from the key pad (1…0).

5. Once above the target, press the "ЦУ" (Designate target) button on the cyclic and the helicopter‟ coordinates will be appear on the Navigation Control panel display. The "ОТ" (Target point) symbol will be displayed on the HUD.

6. Press the "ВВОД" (Enter) button on the Navigation Control panel a second time and the fly-over coordinates will be entered as a TP in the navigation system. The "ОТ" (Target point) symbol on the HUD will go out.

7. After creating the TP, set the Mode selector dial on the Navigation Control panel to the "РАБ" (Work) position.

Shkval Target Point Designation

1. Ensure that the "ИЗЛ-ОТКЛ" (Laser standby ON/OFF) switch on the Targeting Mode Controls panel is set to the "ИЗЛ" (Laser standby ON) position.

2. Set the Mode selector dial on the Navigation Control panel to the "ВВОД" (Enter) position.

3. Set the "И-251В– ПРОЛ" (INU fix-taking method) switch to the "И-251В" (I-251V Shkval) position.

4. Press the "ОТ" (Target point) push-light button.

5. Select the TP number you wish to assign from the key pad (1-10).

6. Press the "ЦУ" (Uncage Shkval) button on the cyclic.

7. Use the sensor slew hat to align the HUD cursor with target point area, and then locate it on the Shkval display.

8. Place the Shkval target box over the target point area, adjust the gate size and press the "АВТ ЗАХВ" (Automatic target lock) button on the collective. The range to target area will now be displayed on the TVM screen.

9. Press the "ЦУ" (Designate target) button on the cyclic a second time and the target‟s coordinates will appear on the Navigation Control panel display. The "ОТ" (Target point) symbol will display on the HUD.

10. Press the "ВВОД" (Enter) button on the Navigation Control panel again and the derived coordinates will be entered as the TP coordinates in the navigation system. The "ОТ" (Target point) symbol on the HUD will go out.

11. After creating this new TP, set the Mode selector dial on the Navigation Control panel to the "РАБ" (Work) position. On the Targeting Mode Controls panel, press the "СБРОС" (Targeting mode reset) button.

[arkroyale048]

Add-able only via editor ? Bear with me on my annoying noobishness... I've done just about everything in the Ka-50 except the advanced ABRIS stuff. The early morning over here also isn't helping...

 

Basically what I'd like to do is to practically doodle on my abris as if it's an overglorified kneeboard.

 

 

 

Thanks for your help.

[StrongHarm]

No, take another look at my last post, it outlines how to add NAV TGT Points in flight in detail. I added manual excerpts and relevant page numbers.

 

Reading the manual will allow you to fully experience the KA-50.

 

:thumbup: :book: :thumbup: :smartass::pilotfly:

 

OR

 

:joystick: :cry: :joystick: :mad: :joystick: :cry_2:

[arkroyale048]

Slightly a little more awake now. More or less.... At work though....

 

Reread.... I think I get it now. Thanks man .

[StrongHarm]

Sure thing. Hope you master the Blackshark and enjoy it as much as I do.. it may have legacy systems.. but it's a beast!