ED Team Yo-Yo Posted May 30, 2015 Author ED Team Posted May 30, 2015 But using the thin brown line in your own figure in post #8 this shows a climb rate of 23.5 m/s at 1800 hp which agrees with my calculation Yo-Yo :) Please use 1850 like in the data chart.... so you will have 24... and as far as i remember your graph shows 23, yes. Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me
Pilum Posted May 30, 2015 Posted May 30, 2015 Well OK, I always assumed 1800 hp because the K4 Kennblatt said 1800 hp but if we assume 1850 hp then I agree 24 m/s sounds good! Old Crow ECM motto: Those who talk don't know and those who know don't talk........ Pilum aka Holtzauge My homepage: https://militaryaircraftperformance.com/
Friedrich-4B Posted May 31, 2015 Posted May 31, 2015 I thought that the German charts were based on a PS (Pferdestärke) power rating, rather than hp or bhp - thus 1800 hp = 1824 PS: 1850 Hp = 1876 PS: 2000 hp = 2028 PS (all figures rounded up) or 1800 PS = 1775 hp: 1850 PS = 1824 hp; 2000 PS = 1972 PS Shouldn't any power conversions use PS rather than hp? The differences are small, but they do exist. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]************************************* Fortunately, Mk IX is slightly stable, anyway, the required stick travel is not high... but nothing extraordinary. Very pleasant to fly, very controllable, predictable and steady. We never refuse to correct something that was found outside ED if it is really proven...But we never will follow some "experts" who think that only they are the greatest aerodynamic guru with a secret knowledge. :smartass: WWII AIRCRAFT PERFORMANCE
gavagai Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 Good catch. Yoyo's equation uses power in watts, so hopefully it is already accounted for. P-51D | Fw 190D-9 | Bf 109K-4 | Spitfire Mk IX | P-47D | WW2 assets pack | F-86 | Mig-15 | Mig-21 | Mirage 2000C | A-10C II | F-5E | F-16 | F/A-18 | Ka-50 | Combined Arms | FC3 | Nevada | Normandy | Straight of Hormuz | Syria
Pzkfw Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 Good idea to find airframe response. Theoretically assuming you have all data points. But I have a few q. How are you solving for lift/drag ratio? Are you assuming this is the same across all 109 g-k variants? Because there were some significant improvements, for instance cowling bulges and non retractable tail gear on the g-6 (most produced variant) vs K which had these refinements. May also be a few wing changes with different aero bulges but I'm not sure on that. L/D ratio in these cases may be more different than you think even at 300kph? If not explain how you can account for ignoring this? Since this will not be random distribution like rad drag. AKA Venturi "You can tell a bomber pilot by the spread across his rear, and by the ring around his eye, you can tell a bombadier; You can tell a navigator by his maps and charts and such, and you can tell a fighter pilot - but you can't tell him much!" -523 TFS Fighter Pilots Song Book
Solty Posted June 1, 2015 Posted June 1, 2015 (edited) I thought that the German charts were based on a PS (Pferdestärke) power rating, rather than hp or bhp - thus 1800 hp = 1824 PS: 1850 Hp = 1876 PS: 2000 hp = 2028 PS (all figures rounded up) or 1800 PS = 1775 hp: 1850 PS = 1824 hp; 2000 PS = 1972 PS Shouldn't any power conversions use PS rather than hp? The differences are small, but they do exist. I think you are right. I've checked that too. All the official German docs seem to contain PS instead of hp. So the standard we have in DCS, which is DB605DB engine, with B4 fuel and MW50 could reach at takeoff 1800PS and that is 1775hp. Edited June 1, 2015 by Solty [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]In 21st century there is only war and ponies. My experience: Jane's attack squadron, IL2 for couple of years, War Thunder and DCS. My channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyAXX9rAX_Sqdc0IKJuv6dA
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted June 1, 2015 Author ED Team Posted June 1, 2015 I thought that the German charts were based on a PS (Pferdestärke) power rating, rather than hp or bhp - thus 1800 hp = 1824 PS: 1850 Hp = 1876 PS: 2000 hp = 2028 PS (all figures rounded up) or 1800 PS = 1775 hp: 1850 PS = 1824 hp; 2000 PS = 1972 PS Shouldn't any power conversions use PS rather than hp? The differences are small, but they do exist. It's less than 1.5%... and will change the results less than deviation of different tests. Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me
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