tovivan Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Having ruined my mobo with a bad flash I'm forced to make a choice. I could just buy a chip for the mobo (sadly only vendor I found is over ebay and from USA, nothing in Europe), but it's probably time to upgrade from my FX-8120. Right now I have an AMD and Gigabyte combo that I've been seriously dissatisfied with from the start (I won't even go into that saga cause it would take 2 pages to explain all the problems I had), so I want to upgrade to an Intel chip. The last time I paid any sort of attention to the cpu stuff, it was the i5 2500k that ruled the world, with 3570 being it's successor (afaik). But now I can't find neither 2500 nor 3570 for sale anywhere. What would be a good substitute for these two cpus? I usually end up overclocking them after warranty is over (my CM Hyper 212 Evo cools like a bora wind so I'm covered on that part), so a good oc-er would be nice (that's the reason I liked the thought of 2500k) Also want to add a nice mobo of around 100 eur. To illustrate local prices for reference: i5 4590 (not K) is 228 eur. i5 4690 (not K version) is 261 eur. i5 4690K is 281 eur. Asrock Fatal1ty D85 Killer is 102 eur. Thanks.
PureEvil Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 "i5 4690K is 281 eur" - good option for any gamer. for mobo i'd recommend asus, as i always had that without any problems (except the 1st one, some 15 years ago or so))) STEAM asus p8z68-v gen3, 2600k@4,5ghz(w/c), 16gb, 1080ti(w/c), ch fighterstick/gvl224-4000-8, ch pro throttle, Oculus Rift CV1+Touch, thrustmaster tx
Drona Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 If your budget allows it, I suggest you go for the i7-4790k. No need to overclock and probably the best CPU around.
tovivan Posted July 29, 2015 Author Posted July 29, 2015 "i5 4690K is 281 eur" - good option for any gamer. for mobo i'd recommend asus, as i always had that without any problems (except the 1st one, some 15 years ago or so))) Thanks for the answer! After seeing another forum member's specs, would a i7 4770 be a good choice for gaming? I saw one, new, for 249 eur namely. ASUS H-81 Gamer or M5A97 R2.0? I don't have a big budget so I'm trying to get as good a combination with what I can afford. 350-370 for the combo of mobo and cpu would be a sweet spot. If your budget allows it, I suggest you go for the i7-4790k. No need to overclock and probably the best CPU around. Thanks for the answer! Sadly the 4790 is way out of my range. :(
fixen Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Where do you live that a i5 4690k goes for 281 euro's. I can find them for 250 easy where I live. Edit: If you want to overclock you need to get a motherboard with a z97 chip
tovivan Posted July 29, 2015 Author Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) Where do you live that a i5 4690k goes for 281 euro's. I can find them for 250 easy where I live. Local or internet store? thanks! EDIT: PM sent. :) Edited July 29, 2015 by tovivan
tovivan Posted July 29, 2015 Author Posted July 29, 2015 Would this be a good choice? http://www.ebay.de/itm/Bundle-PC-X18A-Intel-I5-4690K-4x-3-5-Ghz-MSI-Z97-HD-4600-/161417712785?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item25953ed491 in English: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Bundle-PC-X18A-Intel-I5-4690K-4x-3-5-Ghz-MSI-Z97-HD-4600-/161417712785?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_77&hash=item25953ed491
Demon_ Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 Edit: If you want to overclock you need to get a motherboard with a z97 chip False! Where did you get that? Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche.
Demon_ Posted July 29, 2015 Posted July 29, 2015 (edited) The i5 4590K will give you the same results as the i5 4690K at the same overclock speed. If the i5 4590K is cheaper, take it. This Asrock Fatal1ty (B85) look nice. Asrock is Asus. The MSI look good too. A Z87 motherboard is very good too, and less expensive? (Z97 vs Z87, you will see no difference) The Asus H81 Gamer is not... For gamer :chair: Edited July 29, 2015 by Demon_ Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche.
tovivan Posted July 29, 2015 Author Posted July 29, 2015 The i5 4590K will give you the same results as the i5 4690K at the same overclock speed. If the i5 4590K is cheaper, take it. This Asrock Fatal1ty (B85) look nice. Asrock is Asus. The MSI look good too. A Z87 motherboard is very good too, and less expensive? (Z97 vs Z87, you will see no difference) The Asus H81 Gamer is not... For gamer :chair: Hm, I haven't found any K version of 4590 and reviews say that B85 is not really a good oc board. And I got addicted to oc-ing when I achieved a steady 4.3 GHz over the stock 3.1 GHz on my 8120 at only 50'C... well steady for the last 4 months before I went and flashed it. :doh: The MSI Z97 PC Mate and Asrock Z97 Pro4 are contenders right now, but Asrock seems to be built better. I would rather stay away from Gigabyte as I haven't had much good experience with it lately (a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of BSODs from day 1, the one before that false reporting power surges and shutting down my pc with any but the PSU it came shipped with). This is gonna be a dumb question, but does UEFI BIOS work with Win 7? I've read that it loads into bios only after you loaded Windows. Sounds limited to Win 8. Reminds me too much of the problems I had when I wanted to cure my laptop of it's Win 8 infestation on same day of buying it.
tovivan Posted July 30, 2015 Author Posted July 30, 2015 UPDATE: after a little more research I've discovered that 4670k and 4690k are not that much apart (but 4670 is cheapr, even if slightly older) and that Z87 chip for mobo (especially in Fatal1ty version) would be a good choice. Any personal experiences or good technical knowledge on these two?
fixen Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 The thermal paste between the chip and its shell is worse on the 4670k and therefor will run hotter and overclock less than the 4690k. Difference between z97 and z87 is that z97 has sata express and m.2 slots. But most important, it can seat the upcomming broadwell chips. 1
tovivan Posted July 30, 2015 Author Posted July 30, 2015 (edited) Is there any good reason to go for the new, more expensive Broadwell instead for Haswell? I mean, what will be the advantages for gaming? Or is it better to wait for Broadwell to come out because Haswell will then get cheaper? EDIT: German ebay vendors already have Broadwell and the prices are horrific! Much higher than prices in the US or even the MSRP for them. Edited July 30, 2015 by tovivan
fixen Posted July 30, 2015 Posted July 30, 2015 No, i wouldnt go for broadwell yet. You could go Z87 if that is cheaper and better fits your budget. Personally i wouldn't. But it depends on your budget ofcourse.
tovivan Posted July 30, 2015 Author Posted July 30, 2015 No, i wouldnt go for broadwell yet. Because it's an unknown in regards to speed, oc and so on at this point, right? I'm considering getting a new bios chip to sort out this mobo (its only 17$) and then wait to see what happens with Broadwell and especially older chip's prices.
fixen Posted July 31, 2015 Posted July 31, 2015 Yes and the prices are still to high and the right models are not out yet.
tovivan Posted July 31, 2015 Author Posted July 31, 2015 Which models do you have in mind exactly and what are their expected performances (especially compared to older models)? I decided to get a replacement BIOS chip and wait for the prices of CPUs to fall with these new models coming onto the market. At least I'll hopefully get back to over 4 GHz (back to 4.3 if I'm lucky) so I can fly DCS "normally".
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