PondLife Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 So I frequently setup 2 AI and get them to attempt an engagement to see who would come out on top. I did this for the Hawk and L-39 models in 1.5 and to my surprise, the L-39 consistently was able to get a rear aspect close range IR shot off and Kill the Hawk. Now if you look at the performance specs for these 2 aircraft, there seems no way the L39 should be able to do this with similarly matched AI pilots. The Hawks vital statistics are as follows: Maximum speed: Mach 0.84 (1,028 km/h, 638 mph) at altitude Service ceiling: 13,565 m (44,500 ft) Rate of climb: 47 m/s (9,300 ft/min) Thrust/weight: 0.65 VS the L-39: Maximum speed: 750 km/h (405 knots, 466 mph) at 5,000 m (16,400 ft) Service ceiling: 11,000 m (36,100 ft) Rate of climb: 21 m/s (4,130 ft/min) Thrust/weight: 0.37 As you can see the main common indicator here is the thrust to weigh ratio which is almost 1/2 that of the Hawk! The rate of climb is also less than 1/2 that of the Hawk. How can the L-39 even stand a chance in a dog fight? is this to do with the L-39 use of an AFM?
Radbes Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 The hawks FM is very basic and not at all realistic. Yet. All Modules | TM HOTAS Warthog | Saitek Combat Pedals | TrackIR |
Pman Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 How can the L-39 even stand a chance in a dog fight? is this to do with the L-39 use of an AFM? I can't comment on the Hawk vs L39 actual performance and I really haven't tried. However AI performance is in no way related to an AFM, all AI aircraft use a form of SFM Pman
jonboede Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) My friend who's flown both says, "The L-39 is an underpowered Hawk". They're almost the same plane excepting for the fact that the Hawk makes much, much more smash. He does allow that the L-39 has a roomier cockpit. The only thing you'd want to fight with the L-39 is another L-39. If he had to chose an airplane to own, L-39 all the way... $$$$. Edited October 15, 2015 by jonboede
Rangi Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 So I frequently setup 2 AI and get them to attempt an engagement to see who would come out on top. I did this for the Hawk and L-39 models in 1.5 and to my surprise, the L-39 consistently was able to get a rear aspect close range IR shot off and Kill the Hawk. Now if you look at the performance specs for these 2 aircraft, there seems no way the L39 should be able to do this with similarly matched AI pilots. The Hawks vital statistics are as follows: Maximum speed: Mach 0.84 (1,028 km/h, 638 mph) at altitude Service ceiling: 13,565 m (44,500 ft) Rate of climb: 47 m/s (9,300 ft/min) Thrust/weight: 0.65 VS the L-39: Maximum speed: 750 km/h (405 knots, 466 mph) at 5,000 m (16,400 ft) Service ceiling: 11,000 m (36,100 ft) Rate of climb: 21 m/s (4,130 ft/min) Thrust/weight: 0.37 As you can see the main common indicator here is the thrust to weigh ratio which is almost 1/2 that of the Hawk! The rate of climb is also less than 1/2 that of the Hawk. How can the L-39 even stand a chance in a dog fight? is this to do with the L-39 use of an AFM? Have you tried with different AI skill levels? PC: 6600K @ 4.5 GHz, 12GB RAM, GTX 970, 32" 2K monitor.
Hummingbird Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Keep in mind that there's a pretty big difference in wing loading between the two, which might be what allows the L-39 to get those rear aspect shots. That having been said I find the L-39 rather easy to stall and surprisingly not as nifty in turns as I thought it would be. Perhaps it's the use of a rather sharp airfoil design, I dunno, Yo-Yo probably has the details on that.
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