CH Products Fighter Stick, Pro Throttle and pedals problem, random glitches.

[Smeagol]

Hello everyone,

 

I bought a CH Products Fighter Stick, Pro Throttle and pedal set about a year ago.

 

The problem I'm having is the joystick and throttle, jitters even when my hands are not on the devices.

 

I can see in Control Manager the X ans Y axis move + or - 1 value, and I've seen this before, so I set a small dead zone to keep the joystick centered.

 

Granted, when I hold the joystick in some other position it's no longer has a dead zone and jitters. (just very small movements in game, not noticeable as far as flight characteristics, just the joystick in the cockpit visually moving a tiny amount)

 

Main Problem: Sometimes the devices seem to interact or glitch out causing the X Y axis of the Fighter Stick to slam to the full left position out of nowhere then going back to center a millisecond or two later.

 

I also get this same interaction when using the pedals, I've tried mapped mode and direct mode in CH Control Manager and end up with the problem accruing by the time I get to the takeoff runway.

 

Sometimes, everything works fine until I'm airborne, but it always shows up within 5 or so minutes into the game.

 

I fairly sure there is something I'm doing wrong, but a little worried something is wrong with one of my devices.

 

Has anyone ran into this problem and could give me some solutions, or something I could try?

 

Just seems odd everything will work fine sometimes then, next thing I know my controls go crazy.

 

I've tried using different / separate USB ports (2.0, 3.0, 3.1), even combining them all to one 10 port powered hub, you name it.

 

I bought a new computer recently and the same problem is still there.

 

Sorry for the long read, but I'm hoping to get this joystick problem solved and have worked on it for days with little information to be found on the internet.

 

I'm hope someone else "may" have had this issue and could point me in the right direction to fix it.

 

I really want to get back into playing DCS: World, I started with Black Shark 1 and hope to return to flight ASAP, but this problem has me at a loss as to what to do.

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Peace and thanks,

Smeagol

[mpdugas]

I play with exactly the same setup.

 

I open CH Control Manager and calibrate each device, then create a simple map that I call "calibration" from the results. It has no key assignments at all.

 

I download the map to the three devices in CH Control Manager, and the set the devices to Direct mode. I leave CM running, then launch DCS.

 

From there, I just use the "options" portion of the DCS UI to assign the game commands to my hardware keys.

 

If I don't do that, DCS modules perform pretty much the way you describe them; jittery and un-calibrated.

 

The only difference I see in your description is that you don't mention calibration and mapping.

 

When I do it as I have described, then all is well.

Edited December 31, 2015 by mpdugas

[BigMotor]

CH here also and I agree with mpdugas. Check in game for double assignments to your controls. I even remove keyboard assignments to pitch, yaw, roll and thrust. The game needs to look only at your stick, throttle and pedals.

[Smeagol]

Thanks everyone,

 

I just got it working well (completely flyable), problem was what you both stated.

 

The rudder pedals throttle and brake functions where configured to the joystick axis, even on a different device (device #3), so I disabled them.

 

Then I switched the analog joystick that your thumb rests on the CH Products Pro Throttle (Device #2) to I think the U and V axis. (they where tied to my joystick as well, odd, setting them to none, didn't work they still allowed me to look around the cockpit)

 

Then switched from from mapped mode to direct (trying both) and well it's flyable, at last.

 

I still get a little twitching on the joystick, but I noticed the 2 POVs are tied to look around the cockpit. Being they are just on and off switches, I figured on just leaving them alone for now.

 

But, I'll take you advise mpdugas and BigMotor, I will remove and keyboard bindings as well, and the POVs to more useful functions.

 

Thanks for the tips, last time I ran a CH Products H.O.T.A.S was back when Falcon 4.0 was out. (was on the Beta Test team) Was great times, kind of a shame I couldn't use my old setup, for I love the stiffer feel of the older F-16 type flight stick. (But I hear you can upgrade the springs in the Fighter Stick)

 

But anyhow, it's flyable as can be, I feel "locked in" to the controls now and look forward to setting this H.O.T.A.S up now. (I was really down about it, lol spent a ton on a new rig)

 

I read on a CH Products forum that sometimes the twitch can be due to the

trims on the Fighter Stick when in the center position. (seems they may be right for adding some trim helped with the last bit of movement I was seeing)

 

They recommend calibrating the Fighter Stick with some trim added. (worth a shot)

 

But anyhow thanks, I figured I had a broken H.O.T.A.S that a paid a ton for. (on my budget) Hardly used them at all and they are out of warranty, due to the fact I was using a AMD 9370 CPU and the game was unplayable in multiplayer. (had to save up for a new system)

 

The new computer I built with a i7-4790k CPU, water cooled and overclocked, blows my old rig away on every game. (really enjoying my 144 Hz monitor now, GTX 980 Ti is not bottle-necked now) 160+ FPS playing battlefield 4 on Ultra 125% resolution boost, DCS: World is smooth as silk even at busy airports or online.

 

Time to buy the map for DCS: World 2.0 now:) Really looking forward to flying the Black Shark again and joining a squad.

 

Anyhow, thanks a ton guys and thank you Digital Combat Simulator! It's really nice to have a game that pushing your computer to the limit. (only thing your flight simulator needs is an Apache helicopter module) ;)

 

Peace out,

Smeagol

[StrayWolf]

Truly. Some great advice. For the longest of times I have had 'jitteryness' in the CH Product controllers and it just plain didn't 'feel' right. After doing what mpdugas recommended...whole new different experience. Thanks dude!