[BUG?] 25T ARM missiles range when overriden

[SeraphimGray]

Kh-58 has crazy range when fired in "Launch Override" mode. I just fired it from 156 km range and hit the target. :pilotfly:

 

I noticed that before but never really tried to fire from that crazy range. Previously all overridden ranges were +10 / + 20 km above max range of 70 km, so I haven't been suspicious.

 

I did not try it with Kh-25MPU, but I will and I will report. It's easy to reporoduce so I will not post tacview but if you need it, just let me know.

 

In any case in this specific attempt, Kh-58 climbed to 14.000 m AGL before starting descent to target.

 

If this is a bug, this gives huge advantage to players that exploit it and I did not see that it was discussed previously in SU-25T issues.

Edited August 25, 2016 by SeraphimGray

[SeraphimGray]

Quick update:

 

The hit from post above was from 1.000 m ASL.

 

Later I shot from 180 km range and 196 km range from 2.500m ASL and score kills. Only thing that seam to prevent me from firing from greater distance is fact I don't get SAM signal from further distance.

 

I've read so many different information on it's range from 160 km when fired from 15.000 m to 240 km when fired from 10.000 km ASL... In any case, in all above cases I fired missile way below 10.000 km, so it feels off.

 

Also DCS encyclopedia states 70km range. Is there a way to find out real range of each missile within DCS if data in encyclopedia does not disclose all possibilities?

 

Also, Kh-25MPU, does not have this capability, but I did not test how much over max range it could go.

[Pocket Sized]

The reason the rated range is so short is it's an anti ship missile. If it comes cruising in at 350 knots the ship will shoot it down in the blink of an eye.

 

Now, for taking down a patriot or Hawk this would be useful as they rarely shoot at SEAD missiles.

 

I also found something similar with the Kh-25ML. Listed range of 7-10 km and I lofted one to a fuel truck 50km away. https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=173961

Edited September 23, 2016 by Pocket Sized

[SeraphimGray]

The reason the rated range is so short is it's an anti ship missile. If it comes cruising in at 350 knots the ship will shoot it down in the blink of an eye.

 

This does not make much sense. Kh-58U is anti-radiation missile, not anti-ship missile.

 

Problem is that according some available public specifications, Kh-58U has varied range depending on altitude fired. Some specification confirm capability of Kh-58U of hitting targets from 100 km or even 200 km range, but altitude of 10.000 m MSL remains as one of key requirements to achieve such range

 

In my test, altitude played no factor in changing the range of Kh-58U.

 

Now while it is entirely possible that modeled version is one that has 250 km range, it would be very good that encyclopedia give more precise data and not misleading information. Or at least that it clearly states range for specific altitude if it varies.

 

Have in mind that this range in excess of 70 km is only achieved if you use LA override, so by default it's telling you you're going to fire outside of range.

 

So something is not quite right.

Edited September 26, 2016 by SeraphimGray

[GGTharos]

Non-AAMs do not use the advanced missile FM, that's why.

[Pocket Sized]

This does not make much sense. Kh-58U is anti-radiation missile, not anti-ship missile.

 

Why not both?

 

But seriously, it doesn't take a drop tank sized warhead and 1500kn terminal closure rate to kill a mess of wires and antennas. It is, however, needed to kill a hundred tons of hardened steel powered by pure hatred.

 

The problem with the current range estimation is it is very simplified and/or fixed. It doesn't know exactly what you want to kill so it assumes the worst target (strongest defenses) under the worst launch conditions (low altitude) Same reason the Kh-25 can be lofted to 3-5x it's listed max range.