Can't hold bank angle (and pitch)

[msalama]

so closely that it`s accepted by pilots and Airbus

Except that there seems to be some omissions / errors in the FM that make this claim somewhat exaggerated. You only have to check what user 0xDEADBEEF has to say about it - & I personally agree, based on my flying the bird so far - and come to the conclusion of the FM still being uncomplete and/or erroneous.

 

But we're in beta still, are we not? :music_whistling:

[zerO_crash]

I'm not saying the Gaz' FM is bad or only up to AFM standard. Just that Polychop stated that they had the FM nailed... well, I don't remember the exact terms, but it was along the line "to the best of our possibilities". Perhaps not having access to PFM model and only using their own tool to extend from AFM into what we have here prevent them to simulated everything, and that could explain the discrepencies seen between the Gaz' and the other choppers.

 

Yes, that's reading really much into words, I agree :) It's just that there may be more into some of the FM issues than just Poly being stubborn, happy with it , etc... They may be hitting a limitation.

 

No doubt about that, it is indeed a good point you make. I would agree that some things could be handled better in terms of communication/documentation. Instead of claiming that "SAS does it`s magic", they could comment on "why" it is like that. (Ka50 manual takes for itself the Co-axial rotor for instance, maybe get a similar section in the manual for the Gazelle seeing how it acts a bit different in some situations)

[zerO_crash]

Except that there seems to be some omissions / errors in the FM that make this claim somewhat exaggerated. You only have to check what user 0xDEADBEEF has to say about it - & I personally agree, based on my flying the bird so far - and come to the conclusion of the FM still being uncomplete and/or erroneous.

 

But we're in beta still, are we not? :music_whistling:

 

You don`t need to look at what others say, anyone familiar with helicopter dynamics has noticed it since release of Gazelle. It`s nothing new. But saying that without any research makes a pointless claim, as it is very possible that this helicopter handles just that differently. Arguing with "I think" or "Because everything else x, this should x" is just, well, uneducated. Until Poly comes out with any explanation/documentation update, arguing against it is really uncalled for.

[gospadin]

it is very possible that this helicopter handles just that differently.

 

Possible, but unlikely. Occam's Razor and all that.

 

Don't get me wrong, it's fun to fly and many behaviors are close to expected, but there's still a large number of FM behaviors that are not very helicopter-like, as was pointed out by 0xDEADBEEF and others.

[zerO_crash]

Possible, but unlikely. Occam's Razor and all that.

 

Don't get me wrong, it's fun to fly and many behaviors are close to expected, but there's still a large number of FM behaviors that are not very helicopter-like, as was pointed out by 0xDEADBEEF and others.

 

I will repeat it, it`s irrelevant what others "think". Yes, this helicopter handles differently, but that can very well be true. And generally if the test pilots confirmed that it`s what they experience IRL, then I do trust them. Until Polychop addresses that, going around and saying that FM is broken because it handles differently than other choppers is well, not going to comment on that...

 

And for your info, one of the main issues mentioned (everything based on how other helicopters in the sim react, NO single document/source reference/video) was the inability of collective alone to alter the choppers pitch, which is not true, as it can be seen that the helicopter will tilt slightly. I have personally flown DCS since BS1, and being a helicopter fan, I do know a fair share within action-reaction and their dynamics. For me it`s all natural. But saying that this chopper should behave as other ones just because it has blades, an engine, and looks like most others, is just plain wrong.

 

Not going to really respond on this anymore, people should start using their own judgement (or maybe even keep it to themselves) and stop referring to what "someone" wrote because he thinks this or that. This is not a game, this is a simulator. There have been dozens of disputes before on the forums where "armchair pros" believed they knew everything there is to know and argued with actual ENGINEERS. Yes, and I guess you can deduce the outcome based on my irony. Out

Edited September 23, 2016 by zerO_crash

[msalama]

as it is very possible that this helicopter handles just that differently

 

Basic rotorcraft physics taken into account this is actually, um, somewhat unlikely. But hey - you've got your beliefs just as much as I've got mine, correctamundo?