JonTex Posted December 6, 2006 Posted December 6, 2006 I havent researched this because I feel that ive seen a vast majority of the threads posted here. That being said leave it to human error and the law of probability , and Im sure that this could have been caught by someone else and posted. So please dont flame me if this is in fact an old thread revisited. I noticed on the Lockon.ru homepage a description of abilities for the Su27, Su33, and Mig29 entail a list of abilities as follows: Su-27 and MiG-29 aircraft, combat modes: Multiple Beyond Visual Range (BVR) air combat modes, radar and (or) infrared detection system, up to150 km; Close Air Combat (CAC), vertical scanning radar mode and (or) infrared detection system. Less than 10 km; Close Air Combat (CAC), boresight scanning radar mode and (or) infrared detection system, less than 15 km; Close Air Combat (CAC), helmet-mounted sight radar mode and (or) infrared detection system, less than 10 km; Close Air Combat (CAC) missile seeker mode, less than 10 km; Data Link mode, all radar systems are kept silent for stealthy attack. Unguided ground attack mode for cannon, bombs, and rockets. CCIP and CCRP delivery modes. Su-33 aircraft, combat modes: Multiple Beyond Visual Range (BVR) air combat modes, radar and (or) infrared detection system, up to150 km; Close Air Combat (CAC), vertical scanning radar mode and (or) infrared detection system. Less than 10 km; Close Air Combat (CAC),boresight scanning radar mode and (or) infrared detection system, less than 15 km; Close Air Combat (CAC),helmet-mounted sight radar mode and (or) infrared detection system, less than 10 km; Close Air Combat (CAC) missile seeker mode, less than 10 km; Data Link mode, all radar systems are kept silent for stealthy attack. Unguided ground attack mode for cannon, bombs, and rockets. CCIP and Not sure if this was overlooked or maybe its been so long since i had tried to use this feature which was a long lost relic of Flanker, that I assumed it was no longer incorporated in the game for any number of reasons (take your pick). My question is does this feature in fact exist in the game? And if not could someone remind me why they got rid of it? Seemed to be important enough for them to carry it over to the webpage must have been realistic feature IRL, right?:joystick: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Teo Posted December 6, 2006 Posted December 6, 2006 It is there, but only from AWACS or EWR systems. No datalink between planes is modeled. When you enter BVR mode, and turn on the EOS, enemy aircraft will show up as triangles on your heads down display and friendly as circles. Be aware though that the enemy has to be visible to the AWACS or EWR. As long as you only use EOS you are 'silent' and can perform stelthy attacks.
GGTharos Posted December 6, 2006 Posted December 6, 2006 First of all, the corresponding datalink and/or AWACS controller on the other side is missing big time - there's a shadow of a pretense of something there instead ;) Second, the datalink for those birds does not appear to be correctly modelled, though I might be wrong ... the way the GCI datalink is supposed to work is that the GCI assigned you *one* target to attack ... a target of their choice - they did not give you a display of targets all over the place, just the one they wanted you to tackle, IIRC. AWACS should not be providing datalink. There should however be a fighter data link modelled for the flankers. Again, I'm going from memory so I might not be recalling very well. At issue is that a datalink makes a pilot about 3 times as efficient as one without, and that was no ignored in the case of NATO - it was in fact well studied, IIRC. However the counterpart system for the F-15 is -not- modelled. I'm going off on a tangent because I'm part of the MP crowd - SP I guess it doesn't matter so much though yes, the specific feature you are asking about has been removed. Mind, 'stealth' is poorly interpreted ... it doesn't mean you'll be attacking with EOS or IRH missiles, it merely means you'll be getting to a position of tactical advantage withou doing a radar search and tipping'em off that way ... how you attack depends on many things such as your CAP area, your fuel situation, etc - most of the times it'll be head on with radar missiles but ... done right the first warning the other guy gets is a lock and launch tone. This isn't simulated in LOMAC, in MANY, MANY ways. Ahem, ramble done. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
nscode Posted December 7, 2006 Posted December 7, 2006 Don't think those are true.. the no data link bit I think you got from the Ka-32 with airborn radar... that doesn't have datalink to planes, only down to the carrier. As for the only one target by CGI I think you got that from earlier aircraft (that's how it works in MiG-21) Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
Weta43 Posted December 7, 2006 Posted December 7, 2006 I thought someone posted some photos on the forum a few months ago showing the HDD of an Su27 (& some manual pages giving explanations - in Russian...) while GCI were indicating targets & it had all sorts of information indicated - various friendly & hostile planes, their vectors, the expected range of their radar etc, etc... Cheers.
JonTex Posted December 7, 2006 Author Posted December 7, 2006 Well I was under the impression that this datalink was the same datalink from flanker. I never thought of the targets showing on my mini hud in a russian bird as a datalinked info. It would seem to me that all that chatter from the awacs giving out BRAA to available fighters was the chosen way that ED wanted to accurately simulate RL Russian Awacs. From my understanding the Russian awac didnt have a datalink system to illuminate targets on your mini hud, and that was the reason it was not carried over from flanker. You see in flanker all you needed was awacs and then you hit the tilde key to cycle targets that you wanted to kill. When you found your target you press tab and as long as your radar was off it was a passive lock. You fire your weapons and the enemy usually didnt get a warning until it was too late. Thats what I thought they were referring to but I know for a fact that doesnt exist in lockon. So Im guessing this technology does exist all except for the passive lock thing , and like GG said you only see the target if awacs can see it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
JonTex Posted December 7, 2006 Author Posted December 7, 2006 Well I was under the impression that this datalink was the same datalink from flanker. I never thought of the targets showing on my mini hud in a russian bird as a datalinked info. It would seem to me that all that chatter from the awacs giving out BRAA to available fighters was the chosen way that ED wanted to accurately simulate RL Russian Awacs. From my understanding the Russian awac didnt have a datalink system to illuminate targets on your mini hud, and that was the reason it was not carried over from flanker. You see in flanker all you needed was awacs and then you hit the tilde key to cycle targets that you wanted to kill. When you found your target you press tab and as long as your radar was off it was a passive lock. You fire your weapons and the enemy usually didnt get a warning until it was too late. Thats what I thought they were referring to but I know for a fact that doesnt exist in lockon. So Im guessing this technology does exist all except for the passive lock thing , and like GG said you only see the target if awacs can see it. ::: could someone please delete the duplicate thanx::::: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted December 7, 2006 Posted December 7, 2006 Don't think those are true.. the no data link bit I think you got from the Ka-32 with airborn radar... that doesn't have datalink to planes, only down to the carrier. As for the only one target by CGI I think you got that from earlier aircraft (that's how it works in MiG-21) Nope, I'm pretty sure I saw that in one of those older MiG/Su manuals for the 29 and 27. I'm not discussing versions which we do -not- have modelled in LO as flyables ;) You might be right about A-50, I read somewhere it might be able to datalink up to 10-12 fighters. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
GGTharos Posted December 7, 2006 Posted December 7, 2006 I thought someone posted some photos on the forum a few months ago showing the HDD of an Su27 (& some manual pages giving explanations - in Russian...) while GCI were indicating targets & it had all sorts of information indicated - various friendly & hostile planes, their vectors, the expected range of their radar etc, etc... Nope, that is the Fighter Datalink, IIRC, /not/ GCI [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
nscode Posted December 7, 2006 Posted December 7, 2006 Anyway, keep in mind that those are manuals for the export versions.. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
GGTharos Posted December 7, 2006 Posted December 7, 2006 Gotcha. ;) The ones with the 'downgraded data link' or 'no data link' ... though I'm not sure the MiG manual was the export one? Not a big deal though, the Flanker and newer migs were supposedly more capable than the good old A. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
nscode Posted December 7, 2006 Posted December 7, 2006 Precicely ;) the mig one was so old i think it doesn't even have R-73 in it Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
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