Johnny_Rico Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 I have created a script that can grab real weather and then put values into a DCS World mission. I am looking some community feedback For example if the real weather was full cloud cover at 500m height would you be happy enough having to deal flying trying to hit targets in such conditions ? Trials on our server have some being happy and other complaining How real is too real ? METAR weather for DCS World missions Guide to help out new DCS MOOSE Users -> HERE Havoc Company Dedicated server info Connect IP: 94.23.215.203 SRS enabled - freqs - Main = 243, A2A = 244, A2G = 245 Please contact me HERE if you have any server feedback or METAR issues/requests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chromium Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 Static weather or dynamic weather? I will look to something similar for DAWS Weather mod (currently discontinued in 1.5.7) Author of DSMC, mod to enable scenario persistency and save updated miz file Stable version & site: https://dsmcfordcs.wordpress.com/ Openbeta: https://github.com/Chromium18/DSMC The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by it's nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Rico Posted October 28, 2017 Author Share Posted October 28, 2017 DCS cannot do dynamic (weather changes as mission progresses) I change the mission weather before mission start by reading weather from a real airports data METAR weather for DCS World missions Guide to help out new DCS MOOSE Users -> HERE Havoc Company Dedicated server info Connect IP: 94.23.215.203 SRS enabled - freqs - Main = 243, A2A = 244, A2G = 245 Please contact me HERE if you have any server feedback or METAR issues/requests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chromium Posted October 28, 2017 Share Posted October 28, 2017 DCS cannot do dynamic (weather changes as mission progresses) I change the mission weather before mission start by reading weather from a real airports data And that is almost exaclty what do DAWS Weather. I used a metar.lua file freeware in the net. I had very positive feedbacks... but using static system mean that I had to let the user choose a particoular airport as a reference, and use that values all over the scenery. Anyway, DCS can do dynamic while for that is not real-time update but localized weather, and it will evolve by itself using cyclone system. At the moment I still don't have a code that is capable to translate some sort of weather data into the correct cyclones code needed for DCS Dynamic weather. What do you exacly mean by "grab real weather and then put values into a DCS World mission"? Do you use the static system as DAWS Weather or do you use cyclone (dynamic) system? Author of DSMC, mod to enable scenario persistency and save updated miz file Stable version & site: https://dsmcfordcs.wordpress.com/ Openbeta: https://github.com/Chromium18/DSMC The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by it's nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Rico Posted October 29, 2017 Author Share Posted October 29, 2017 In this first test iteration I use static system from a supplied airport I honestly do not understand how the cyclone system works, but might look into it later METAR weather for DCS World missions Guide to help out new DCS MOOSE Users -> HERE Havoc Company Dedicated server info Connect IP: 94.23.215.203 SRS enabled - freqs - Main = 243, A2A = 244, A2G = 245 Please contact me HERE if you have any server feedback or METAR issues/requests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chromium Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 ok you did the same as DAWS weather. If you are interested in improving that solution to the cyclone system, I will look into that in the next months and we might get in touch. Also, if you want to dig a bit in DAWS weather to see if we converted things differently, you will find it in the amvi site or here in the forum, mod section. Author of DSMC, mod to enable scenario persistency and save updated miz file Stable version & site: https://dsmcfordcs.wordpress.com/ Openbeta: https://github.com/Chromium18/DSMC The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by it's nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Rico Posted October 29, 2017 Author Share Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) Yes I would like to understand and work out how the cyclone stuff works Does it take the weather settings and then add to them, or does cyclone over ride everything as in weather tab does nothing when cyclone is enabled ? Getting the data was not too hard, but tuning it to fit into DCS World ... still tweaking it a bit ... so that people are happy that is another matter Like my first post asked, how real is too real ? If it is totaly overcast low cloud you can see anything on the ground when flying above it Also DCS imposes limits eg min cloud thickness is 200m My system appears to work on v 1.5 and v 2 of DCS World Edited October 29, 2017 by Johnny_Rico METAR weather for DCS World missions Guide to help out new DCS MOOSE Users -> HERE Havoc Company Dedicated server info Connect IP: 94.23.215.203 SRS enabled - freqs - Main = 243, A2A = 244, A2G = 245 Please contact me HERE if you have any server feedback or METAR issues/requests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlightControl Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Yes I would like to understand and work out how the cyclone stuff works Does it take the weather settings and then add to them, or does cyclone over ride everything as in weather tab dpes nothing when cyclone is enabled ? Getting the data was not too hard, but tuning it to fit into DCS World ... still tweaking it a bit ... so that people are happy that is another matter Like my first post asked, how real is too real ? If it is totaly overcast low cloud you can see anything on the ground when flying above it Also DCS imposes limits eg min cloud thickness is 200m My system appears to work on v 1.5 and v 2 of DCS World There was an old thread about this item on the forums, explaining the weather in details. Maybe it got already archived? [TABLE][sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]| Join MOOSE community on: DISCORD :thumbup: Website of the MOOSE LUA Framework. MOOSE framework Downloads. Check out Example Missions to try out and learn. MOOSE YouTube Channel for live demonstrations and tutorials. [/TABLE] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chromium Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 PS Johnny_Ricol consider that metar clouds height is from airport altitude, while DCS weather code is m asl. Author of DSMC, mod to enable scenario persistency and save updated miz file Stable version & site: https://dsmcfordcs.wordpress.com/ Openbeta: https://github.com/Chromium18/DSMC The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by it's nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Rico Posted October 29, 2017 Author Share Posted October 29, 2017 (edited) Thanks I had not considered that, the airport I use is 5M asl I see that batumi is 32 m Did you notice how weird clouds are ? 8 = a decent amount of clouds with a lot of clear patches 9 = total could cover 10 = total cloud cover Seems that the 9 value is a bit too high ? Edited October 29, 2017 by Johnny_Rico METAR weather for DCS World missions Guide to help out new DCS MOOSE Users -> HERE Havoc Company Dedicated server info Connect IP: 94.23.215.203 SRS enabled - freqs - Main = 243, A2A = 244, A2G = 245 Please contact me HERE if you have any server feedback or METAR issues/requests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chromium Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 Didn't honestly. As daws weather is only an interface between metar and dcs code I didn't focused on cloud coverage limits Author of DSMC, mod to enable scenario persistency and save updated miz file Stable version & site: https://dsmcfordcs.wordpress.com/ Openbeta: https://github.com/Chromium18/DSMC The thing is, helicopters are different from planes. An airplane by it's nature wants to fly, and if not interfered with too strongly by unusual events or by a deliberately incompetent pilot, it will fly. A helicopter does not want to fly. It is maintained in the air by a variety of forces in opposition to each other, and if there is any disturbance in this delicate balance the helicopter stops flying; immediately and disastrously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Rico Posted October 30, 2017 Author Share Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) I had a go at changing diff cloud values in editor and then went into DCS to see how they looked when researching this It is a pity it doesnt match better between metar and DCS Metar cloud cover in 1/8ths DCS cloud cover in 1/10ths I wonder if how it works now is a bug or ommisson ? Edited October 30, 2017 by Johnny_Rico METAR weather for DCS World missions Guide to help out new DCS MOOSE Users -> HERE Havoc Company Dedicated server info Connect IP: 94.23.215.203 SRS enabled - freqs - Main = 243, A2A = 244, A2G = 245 Please contact me HERE if you have any server feedback or METAR issues/requests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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