Dino Might Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 I was playing in private server with a friend so he could practice with the Su-27. With F-5 at 50% fuel and Su-27 with 30% fuel and 6x R-73, I was outturning him easily with only about 10% stick deflection in full afterburner. I was doing about 500 kts, only ever getting down to about 450 kts in the turn. I was worried I had somehow enabled game mode or something, but all checks of options and the mission options show nothing out of the ordinary. Has anyone else noticed the F-5 behaving like an F-16N on steroids? I didn't measure it, but I am pretty sure I was able to do a 12 second 360 without losing more than 50 kts.
Dino Might Posted March 11, 2018 Author Posted March 11, 2018 Checked again on another server. From my perspective (not sure if this is what's happening in TacView or not), when I get the F-5 over 600 knots, it then behaves very differently in turns (not losing energy very fast, even in a 9G turn). It regains energy to get back to 600 knots in level flight very quickly, which should not happen (should struggle to even get past 550 when clean with full fuel, right?). WTF is going on? Getting over 600 knots turns the F-5 into deity-mode. To be clear, I know that at 600 knots, you should be able to turn pretty hard, but you should lose speed like crazy doing so. That's the problem. Try it out and let me know if you are running into a similar situation. It feels like a bug to me.
dolfo Posted March 11, 2018 Posted March 11, 2018 ...which should not happen (should struggle to even get past 550 when clean with full fuel, right?). ... Not sure where this notion is coming from? Also, the faster you are the more G you can sustain... check the Ps diagrams in the -1. At 5000ft 0.6 IMN 7.33G gives a bleed rate of 1100 ft/sec. If flying at M 0.9 bleed rate is only 240 ft/sec. The turn rate is actually higher at M0.6, at almost 20.5 degrees/sec, 13.5 deg/sec at M0.9. If you are respecting the 7.33G limit. The "secret" you found is the "10% pull". Be careful to maintain the AOA at a reasonable value speed will bleed less and recover quicker. If you are ham fisted on the controls and increase the AOA too much the opposite will be true.
Dino Might Posted March 11, 2018 Author Posted March 11, 2018 My numbers are not precise, and I'm only going off feel and the fact I was handily outturning the flanker. It just felt a bit weird and seems to be a massive difference when at 600 kits compared to 500. With just slight input, the G meter was pegging to the limit, and speed did not bleed nearly as much as I am used to. Almost all of my time in the F5 has been at or below 500 kts on the deck, so maybe I just haven't understood this regime.
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