Mig29 Fulcrum....Question.

[pschelchshorn]

afair IRIS-T is based on a AIM-9 with an "improved" search-head

 

Not exactly. The cool thing is though that you dont need any extra wiring. Any existing aim-9 launch rack can fire the iris-t! That means you dont have to buy a new set of racks. The IRIS-T has control surfaces and thrust vectoring. It has also been known that another aircraft besides the actual launch aircraft can give the aircraft a target to shoot at. (LINK-xx?)

 

god that thing is sexy :

 

Flip

[RvETito]

After 3 pages of spam I think it's time to answer the man. After the Soviet Union(along with the Warsaw pact) broke up it was very hard to maintain any normal trade relations with the MiG company. That's the reason why all bulgarian(I can speak only about our MiGs) 29s were grounded numerous times after mid '90s. The main reason was that the direct contact and feedback between our MOD and the MiG got lost and all the business went in the hands of "suspicious" and "gray" middlemen. Corruption and all the nice "features" of the new "democracy" made the fate of our MiGs(and their pilots) really miserable. Starting from 1997 there were at least 3(all unsuccessful) atempts to overhaul and modernisation of the fleet. The first "project" even inculded option to modernise them to the SM version- NO19M Topaz R-77 capable, new EOS with TV channel allowing the use of the Kh-29T and KAB-500Kr. Nothing happened, it won't happen in the future. The russians are now "skining alive" every spare parts customer. The only winner from this(if there's any) are the western manufacturers that offer good offset packages like the LM for Poland and BAe/SAAB for the Czech Republic.

[pschelchshorn]

After 3 pages of spam I think it's time to answer the man.

 

Way to go Superman

[golfsierra2]

Ya, too bad. Atleast there getting the typhoon. that's like the european equivilant of the F-22. (but without stealth.)

 

But with supercruise.... :music_whistling:

[GGTharos]

No it isn't. I'll bet we could find just as many vids from the Greeks on YouTube that made their boys look like the shiznit too. They're all fun vids though, just like all of the US and Russian vids. Its when people start to look at any of them as some kind of factual evidence that we have to get worried. :D

 

I like the fact thatit shows the sidewinder DLZ, actually; it helps when making certain realism arguments in sims. :)

[GGTharos]

Do you know by any chance who manufactures the FPA for it?

 

Not exactly. The cool thing is though that you dont need any extra wiring. Any existing aim-9 launch rack can fire the iris-t! That means you dont have to buy a new set of racks. The IRIS-T has control surfaces and thrust vectoring. It has also been known that another aircraft besides the actual launch aircraft can give the aircraft a target to shoot at. (LINK-xx?)

 

god that thing is sexy :

 

Flip

[GGTharos]

Never mind, found it. :) Looks like a comntemporary to the US FPA's.

The seeker technology is pretty much the same then, as expected :)

[GGTharos]

Well, it's speculative as to what happens to the missiles inside Rmin ... 'cause there's definitely one vid where someone calls a Fox2 inside of Rmin. But there's no speculation as to what is -considered- to be Rmin ;D

 

 

That's really cool man! I tested the Lav-Recce's system way back, including a thermal optic. The stuff you could see what pretty awesome ;D

[golfsierra2]

After 3 pages of spam I think it's time to answer the man.

 

About the German MiG-29G:

 

http://english.mn.ru/english/issue.php?2002-11-2

"The 23 MiG-29 fighters with a supply of missiles, weapon systems, and spare parts were handed over to the Polish Air Force by the German Luftwaffe. In its time the FRG armed forces inherited them after reunification with East Germany. Eleven of those were, with Russian assistance, modernized and upgraded to NATO standards. Now they are adapted to combat missions jointly with alliance aircraft while several machines have been equipped with additional fuel tanks which enabled them to cross the Atlantic without refueling. It is known that German pilots tapped them to the full - not only in training but also as "aggressor" in the course of exercises with U.S. F-16s. Prior to that the Polish Air Force had 22 MiGs of its own, half of which had been bought from the Soviet Union back in 1989 and the rest acquired from the Czechs in exchange for helicopters. Polish aviation experts believe that there are now enough machines to form two MiG-29 squadrons."

 

And maintaining them (as of 2002):

"Is Poland going to cooperate with Russia in maintaining these aircraft in operational condition? Szmajdzinski said that during his meeting with Russian Defense Minister Sergei Ivanov at NATO headquarters, he expressed interest in cooperating with the Russian military-industrial complex - not only in the aviation sphere but also in supplies of spare parts for Russian weapon systems that are still in service in the Polish military. As for the MiG aircraft, spare parts for them mainly came from Baranovichi (Belarus), but there is a need for Russian aircraft engines."

 

Germany did the same when after reunification, the Luftwaffe had to maintain the MiGs taken over from the Nationale Volksarmee (NVA).

 

And, the question of how to modernize / maintain the MiG-29 fleet was not only a problem to solve for the owner nations, but also for MAPO, because without a market, there would be nothing to work / nothing to earn for the production companies. So the Russian from their point of view had to be proactive to find new ways of colaborations with the MiG-29 owner nations in Central and East Europe:

 

http://mdb.cast.ru/mdb/5-2002/at/rpmmsda/

"The search for partners

 

In view of the difficult financial situation in which Russian defense enterprises have found themselves, numerous attempts were made over the last few years to establish cooperative rela*tionships with foreign countries, including the primary Western arms producers. Thus, in 1999, contacts concerning the modernization of T-72 tanks were made with Nexel Enterprises, an American company. This was meant to raise the ability of Russian developers to complete with Polish, Ukrainian, French and Czech companies, which had also joined for similar work and demonstrated their first modernized tank, the T72-MP at the Eurosatory-98 arms expo. The joint Russian-German MAPS enterprise was crucial to Russia's capture of the market for the modernization of MiG-29 fighter jets.

 

It should be noted that, despite the individual successes of establishing mutually-profitable international cooperation on the market of modernizing Russian armaments - for example cooperation with Germany in the modernization of the MiG-29 and contacts with France's Thales for the refinement of Su-30s for Malaysia - the strategy did not prove itself on the whole."

 

This is how Germany's Luftwaffe solved the problem:

http://www.ato.ru/rus/cis/archive/13-2006/def/def2/?sess_=76c07074e51eeb06d76bcbe03145ddfe

"Germany

East Germany received 24 MiG-29 aircraft from the Soviet Union in 1988 and 1989. After the unification of Germany, they were "inherited" by the Luftwaffe and were used by the Bundeswehr for NATO air defense purposes. The German MiGs mark the beginning of the MiG-29 modernization process in Eastern Europe: in 1993, the Russian-German joint venture MAPS was created. Currently, 50% of its shares are owned by EADS, 34% by MiG Corp., and 16% by Russia's Rosoboronexport arms trade agency. MAPS has modernized Luftwaffe MiGs according to NATO standards, with this upgraded given the MiG-29G designation. Since 1999, MAPS planned to conduct such work on other Eastern Europe aircraft of the same type; however, Germany decided to abandon its remaining 23 MiG-29s, which were sold to Poland in 2003-2004 for the symbolic sum of 1 euro."

 

And as the NATO grew and new, former Warsaw Pact members brought in thier weaponsystems, a new market for modernizing and modifying the aircraft to NATO standards was born:

 

Same article

http://www.ato.ru/rus/cis/archive/13-2006/def/def2/?sess_=76c07074e51eeb06d76bcbe03145ddfe

 

"Despite the fact that several Eastern European countries have joined NATO and taken major steps toward re-equipment their fighter fleets with American or European-built aircraft, their inventories still include active Russian MiG-29 fighters.

Currently, nearly 120 MiG-29s are in service with five new members of NATO: Poland and Hungary (which joined NATO in March 1999), Slovakia (a NATO member since April 2003), Bulgaria and Romania (members of NATO since March 2004), as well as in Serbia and Montenegro. These MiG-29 aircraft are considered a part of NATO forces, and will remain in service for at least five to 10 years, which defines the need for their maintenance, service time extension and adaptation of avionics to NATO requirements. This activity already is underway in Poland and Slovakia; Bulgaria will start working on its aircraft soon, probably followed by Hungary. Serbia also is considering the modernization of its MiG-29s."

 

And one more:

http://www.b-info.com/tools/miva/newsview.mv?url=news/1999-08/text/aug19.rfe

19 AUGUST 1999

RUSSIA, GERMANY TO MODERNIZE EASTERN EUROPE'S

MIG-29S

Russia's MAPO aircraft manufacturer and the

Rosvooruzhenie state arms-trading company have

signed a cooperation memorandum with Germany's

DASA aerospace concern on jointly modernizing

MiG-29 fighter planes serving with the air forces

of Hungary, Poland, Bulgaria, Romania, and

Slovakia, Interfax reported on 18 August. Under

the agreement, the planes' service life will be

extended to 2015 and operating costs reduced. A

working group is now considering ways in which

Central and East European factories can

participate in the program. The German air force

has 24 MiG-29s, which Russia earlier helped

modernize. JC

 

Because German DASA and European EADS was in the lead from the beginning of this process, they now hold the market as a joint venture with the Russians.

[golfsierra2]

god that thing is sexy :

 

Flip

 

So, you haven't seen HER ?

http://members.chello.at/iris-t/Willkommen.html

 

MY favorite Iris T. :hehe:

[GGTharos]

The one I had was old-shcool, with liquid-nitrogen cooling. It would really benefix in resolution and size/weight at this point to replace it with an FPA, not to mention power, and other things.

 

It's awesome that you guys heat the glass - do you still get teh same contrast as you would with a cooled camera for your applications? I found the cooled camera could pierce foliage rather well.

 

And of course, you could point it at your coworkers nearby and freak'em out by showing them their veins etc ;)

 

Awesome! The way the sensor in the IRIS camera is stablized is pretty cool too...or...I guess I should say hot. There's no cooling involved, the glass is actually heated. Takes care of ALL KINDS of issues, you can look right at the sun with it and you still get clear pics of what's around that. Its supposed to have limited fog and cloud ability too, but we haven't tested that yet. I've got a lot of video of the demo ride, but it all sucks. My camera hadn't been used in weeks and its battery had died, so I eventually lost all of my settings. I was trying to shoot pics and video in complete darkness, and MAN was it bumpy that night. Nothing turned out, and I later found out my camera had defaulted to single-point AF. REALLY made me do a DOH!!!:doh:

[GGTharos]

:D :D :D :D :D

 

'Book' eh... that's what they're called now ;D

[Kusch]

Germany ''sale'' all MiG-29 to Poland.

 

http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=8955

 

 

Poland service all MiG-29 in Polish WZL-2 plant (And service RD-33 engine)

 

 

Pics

 

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=93500&page=4&highlight=polish+mig-29

[GGTharos]

Ahahah :D But doesn't TCAS require the other aircraft to have a trancseiver for it also?

[GGTharos]

You could also be experiencing EMI - it would be worth checking out.