Will this work?

[Cowboy10uk]

Hi guys and girls. After my Chillblast post I get the general feeling that I9 isn’t the way to go, so I’ve been looking about for other options.

 

This is my latest selection, again price range is extremely similar, so is this a better choice. Again my aim is 4K at 60fps on max settings.

 

Case

 

Corsair Obsidian Series 500D

 

Coolant

Blood Red

 

Motherboard

 

ASUS ROG MAXIMUS X HERO - Supreme FX audio, Aura Lighting and Intel LAN

 

Intel CPUs and Overclocking

 

Intel Core i7 8086K, Coffee Lake, 6-Core with Hyperthreading, 4.0GHz, 5.0GHz Turbo [Overclocked - CPU professionally overclocked up to 5.0GHz]

 

Memory

 

64GB (4x16GB) Corsair Vengeance RGB 3200mhz

 

Graphics Cards with EK Waterblock

 

11GB EVGA GTX 1080 Ti SC, 1556MHz GPU, 3584 Cores, 11000MHz GDDR5X - GeForce GTX VR Ready [single card]

 

Graphics Card Overclocking

 

Your choice of graphics card professionally overclocked, Requires Windows to be purchased with the system & adds an additional days testing.

 

Power Supply Unit

 

850W Corsair RMx, Modular, Silent, 80PLUS Gold - Dual GPUs

 

Storage - Solid State Drives - PCIe (NAND)

 

1TB Samsung 970 EVO, 3400MB/s Read, 2500MB/s Write, 500K IOPS

 

Storage - Solid State Drives - SATA

 

1TB Samsung 860 EVO, Read 550MB/s, Write 520MB/s, 98K

 

Storage - Hard Disk Drives

4TB Western Digital Blue, 64MB Cache

[BitMaster]

Nice PC indeed, cant get faster.

 

But please, get a proper PSU !!!

 

Tell them to put a Seasonic in that has AT LEAST Platinum label.

 

The one listed just doesnt match all the other excellent goodies and I can tell you that when you stress that beast while overclocked..I have driven up to 600watt through it...for HOURS.

 

While mine then still remains cool and wont even spin the fan, yours will be seating and the fan will be going nuts at 80% load.

 

Get a 850w-1kW but Platinum for what you aim for. Despite your gaming consumption will likely be only around 400watts max, you wanna make sure it passes a 24h stresstest without melting, dont you ?

 

I would personally ALWAYS grant some headroom for future expansions, like a 2nd GPU if Vulkan allows, or a new super fat AMD card that beats any Nvidia...but eats 550w ! DANG !!

Things to consider.

 

Honestly, with all the parts you picked, get a Seasonic Prime Titanium 1Kw or 1200w. That fits all your other parts, stays cool even in the harshest dogfight and allows a 2nd GPU to be added once possible.

 

A 8086k and a 850w "GOLD" just doesnt fit

[Cowboy10uk]

Nice PC indeed, cant get faster.

 

But please, get a proper PSU !!!

 

Tell them to put a Seasonic in that has AT LEAST Platinum label.

 

The one listed just doesnt match all the other excellent goodies and I can tell you that when you stress that beast while overclocked..I have driven up to 600watt through it...for HOURS.

 

While mine then still remains cool and wont even spin the fan, yours will be seating and the fan will be going nuts at 80% load.

 

Get a 850w-1kW but Platinum for what you aim for. Despite your gaming consumption will likely be only around 400watts max, you wanna make sure it passes a 24h stresstest without melting, dont you ?

 

I would personally ALWAYS grant some headroom for future expansions, like a 2nd GPU if Vulkan allows, or a new super fat AMD card that beats any Nvidia...but eats 550w ! DANG !!

Things to consider.

 

Honestly, with all the parts you picked, get a Seasonic Prime Titanium 1Kw or 1200w. That fits all your other parts, stays cool even in the harshest dogfight and allows a 2nd GPU to be added once possible.

 

A 8086k and a 850w "GOLD" just doesnt fit

 

Sent them an email, they do sell a 1200 Corsair plantinum in the components section, so have asked if they would fit one of them instead.

 

The other question is Ram, will I really need 64 at 3200mhz or will 32 be good enough. Looking at £300 vs £700 depending on what amount of ram I go for.

[PureEvil]

8086k 1 core(?) 5 GHz boost factory overclock and slightly higher base clock speed , the rest as usual, all luck, not worth extra penny. Other than that same as 8700k. Nothing you can't do yourself.

What pump and radiator?

Edited June 27, 2018 by PureEvil

[Cowboy10uk]

8086k 1 core(?) 5 GHz boost factory overclock and slightly higher base clock speed , the rest as usual, all luck, not worth extra penny. Other than that same as 8700k. Nothing you can't do yourself.

What pump and radiator?

 

I’ve asked the question ref the 5ghz, whether it’s a guaranteed 5ghz on all 6 cores, or whether it’s just the standard single one that comes out of the box so will wait and see. ( The write up does state all cores though )

 

I’ve tried OCing myself and I just cannot get it. I don’t think I’ve ever managed a stable overclock depsite buying what is meant to be the right chips, hence why I’m getting someone to do it for me.

 

Ref the pump and radiator, haven’t got a clue as it just says custom watercooling.

 

It’s from Scan computers the Vengence fluid TI CR.

 

I’ve chosen to upgrade the Memory, Add another SSD drive and increase the M2 to 1tb and the western digital to 4TB.

 

https://www.scan.co.uk/3xs/configurator/vengeance-fluid-ti-cr

[Cowboy10uk]

The other PC I’m looking at, is another from Chillblast. Again I would want to change the M2 to 1tb, add a 1tb SSD drive and change the barracuda from 3tb to 4TB.

 

https://www.chillblast.com/chillblast-fusion-hailstorm-rgb-gaming-pc.html?category_id=412#product-details-tab-tab608

 

 

 

Processor

 

• Intel Core i7-8700K Processor (overclocked by up to 20%)

• 12MB L3 Cache

 

Motherboard

 

• Asus STRIX Z370F GAMING Motherboard

 

Memory

 

• 32GB DDR4 3333MHz

• Configuration 2 x 16GB

• Dual Channel Support

• 4 x DIMM Slot

 

Solid State Drive

 

• 500GB Samsung 960 EVO M.2 Solid State Drive

 

Hard Drive

 

• Seagate 3TB BarraCuda Hard Disk Drive

 

Optical Drive

 

• None

 

Software

 

• Operating System: Windows 10 Home 64bit

 

Display

 

• Monitor not Included

 

Graphics

 

• ASUS NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti 11GB Graphics Card

 

Audio

 

• Onboard High Definition Audio

 

Input Devices

 

• Keyboard and Mouse not Included

 

Networking

 

• LAN: 10/100/1000 Gigabit Ethernet

 

Power Supply

 

• Corsair RM850x 80 PLUS Gold 850W Modular PSU

[BitMaster]

not Win10 "HOME" I would never consider a "Home" a vaild hardcore gaming OS. You miss certain features you may want to have in the future.

 

 

Get a better PSU ( Seasonic or highest end Corsair ), everything else sucks imho over the years.

 

I run only Corsair top-end or Seasonic. Meanwhile I only use Seasonic, everywhere if I build a PC or SoHo-SRV.

YOu cant beat their quality and long-life.

[BitMaster]

I'd build and oc it 4 you if you were somehow closer...grhhhhh

[Cowboy10uk]

I'd build and oc it 4 you if you were somehow closer...grhhhhh

 

Thanks for the offer. :thumbup:

 

Been in contact with both Scan and Chillblast ref the PSU on offer. Although neither show up on their configuration pages, both have stated they are happy to fit the Corsair HX1200i Platinum PSU during the build. So I think I’ll grab that no matter which way I go.

 

Think I’m leaning more toward the Scan machine at the mo, although I’ve got that niggling doubt about waiting to see what the 1180 brings to the scene. But obviously no one knows what that will turn up, I’ve seen everything from the next 4 weeks till the end of the year.

 

Scan have also confirmed that the 5ghz overclock is on ALL cores on the 8086 rather than just the single one as standard.

[BitMaster]

When you make the 32vs 64GB decision, I would not sacrifice too many MHz DRAM speed for another 32GB volume of RAM.

 

 

Tho DRAM speed does not matter THAT much for Intel than it does for AMD Ryzen based chips, it still plays a role..and it's simple to get why.

 

 

People who are happy with 8GB total are also very happy with DRAM 1600MHz and wont even feel that much difference if you mocve them to DDR4-4000 for example. The amount of RAM those guys ( or Games ) use, is quickly moved across the boards anyways, it's a small amount of RAM that needs to be processed in a given time frame, as long as it fits into that frame ALL IS FINE.

 

 

The problem begins with people who actually have the need for 16, 32 or even 64GB or bigger. The time frame allowed differs from app to app and might be not crucial like in a science app that just needs lobger to spit óut the result whereas a game with fps crazy Pilots has a very well defined time frame in which things need to be moved across the board, back and to devices, in this case RAM.

 

 

So, with more RAM being needed to be processed, faster RAM makes sense as it INCREASES your bandwidth. Same does adding another Channel, like 4, 6 or even 8-Channel CPU's are available at base frequiencies of 2133 and 2666MHz. And 8-channel 2133 is like a 2-Channel 2133 at DDR-8532MHz...a thing you cannot get with XMP.

 

 

 

With a good kit of DDR-4 3600 you can break the 50GB/sec @ Dualchannel and get into realms of DDR3-1333 Xeons on tripple channel.

 

 

My goal has always been all my RAM in roundabout 1 sec. DDR-4 2133-DualChannel is made for 16GB usage imho, for more RAM you need higher bandwidth and I think with 32GB the Dual Channel ideology is at the 4end of it's journey...or do you want to wait 2-3 sec to read all your RAM ? Not if you play DCS, not if you game at all. That is ok for math and science where things take weeks and months anyways.

 

 

If I ever need 64GB I would put them on a Chipset with NO less than ~75GB/sec throughput in it's default setup, like for example DDR6-5333MHz on Dual Channel...or a AMD Threadripper 4-channel 2666MHz or even faster at 3200MHz on all 4 channels. That is close to 100GB/sec with good kits.

 

 

Thing is, reality is a bit more painful.

There are very few to zero kits available with 64GB with 4 modules at an acceptable speed for a fair price. 128GB is only available with 4-channel kits and if you choose 4 modules only, 4 x 32GB...you cant afford it and it will be 2133 only...and very likely incompatible to most boards if not at 2133.

 

 

The bigger, the tighter, the faster..the morte complicated it gets with memory.

 

 

The only almost painfree config is 2 x 8GB DDR4, they work till 4133 and faster if lucky. with 4 modules it's a lot more painfull and slower too and less choices.

 

 

 

Samsung just started production of the B-die successor, so it's still a while till that die will become part of a new DDR4 evolution with faster and denser chips that can be run at 1.2V till way above 3000MHz iirc.

 

 

 

Once that chip is here and delivers, we only need a CPU with a good IMC to run speeds at 3000+ as standards...just that wont happen from Intel and AMD neither.

 

 

Short truth of that all. 64GB is too much for the Z370 to digest for gaming in a game relative time frame. it is ok for science and video editing were time frames are not fixed and crucial.

If DCS ever demands 64GB as default, we all need to run Threadrippers or i9 & Xeons at 3200MHz or faster DDR4, only those workstation/Server Quad-Channel peformance allows you to make use of that much RAM in gaming...where you cant wait for the chunk to arrive in 0.3 sec, it's gotta be in at less than 0.1sec to not desync or whatever in MP.