[Bug] No animation of Salvo mode switch in cockpit

[FightingFalcon]

Hi,

 

I believe this to be best described as a bug. In the SU-25T when you switch the salvo mode, you can clearly see the switch moving. When you switch the salvo mode in the SU-27 there is no switch that moves. I have zoomed in to all areas of the cockpit while I change the salvo, and nothing seems to move.

 

However the more serious issue is that there is no way to tell which salvo mode you are in, due to not being able to look at the situation of said switch. There is also no indicator on the HUD or HDD that I can see.

 

The salvo mode definitely works as Ive tested it. It appears to default to launch singly or will change to all at once upon pressing LeftCtrl+V. So the function is there.

 

These issues were also discussed in below thread, however I didn't want to reply to that one as Im not sure what this forum considers as a 'necro'.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=169939&page=2

 

Thanks.

[Ironhand]

Hi,

 

I believe this to be best described as a bug. In the SU-25T when you switch the salvo mode, you can clearly see the switch moving. When you switch the salvo mode in the SU-27 there is no switch that moves. I have zoomed in to all areas of the cockpit while I change the salvo, and nothing seems to move.

 

However the more serious issue is that there is no way to tell which salvo mode you are in, due to not being able to look at the situation of said switch. There is also no indicator on the HUD or HDD that I can see.

 

The salvo mode definitely works as Ive tested it. It appears to default to launch singly or will change to all at once upon pressing LeftCtrl+V. So the function is there.

 

These issues were also discussed in below thread, however I didn't want to reply to that one as Im not sure what this forum considers as a 'necro'.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=169939&page=2

 

Thanks.

There is some animation on the PVI-10PE2 panel. The EMPLOYED (РАБОТА) window, two RESERVE (РЕЗЕРВ) windows, REMAINING CANNON (rounds) (ОСТАТОК ВПУ) for the internal cannon (ВПУ) window are functional. Nothing else is animated there nor has it ever been AFAIK.

 

There is no RW thing called "salvo mode" in this aircraft. The weapon release mode switch documentation reads as follows:

 

a) SINGLE (ОДИН): the launch of a guided missile--aka A2A missile--(УР - Управляемые Ракети) is initiated one at a time for each press of the suspended-weapon trigger (P trigger), bombs are dropped or unguided rockets (НРС) are fired in accordance with established procedures;

 

b) PAIRS (ЧАСТЬ): two guided missiles (УР) are launched with each press of the suspended-weapon trigger;

 

c) SERIES (СЕРИЯ): bombs are dropped or unguided rockets (НРС) are fired in accordance with the selected interval (series);

So this isn't so much a bug but rather a feature which hasn't been implemented.

[Ironhand]

a) SINGLE (ОДИН): the launch of a guided missile--aka A2A missile--(УР - Управляемые Ракети) is initiated one at a time for each press of the suspended-weapon trigger (P trigger), bombs are dropped or unguided rockets (НРС) are fired in accordance with established procedures;

To further amplify this bit here:

 

The release of weapons upon ground targets is dependent on the Input and Display Panel-10PE2 (ПВИ-10ПЭ2) switch settings and the type of weapon selected as follows:

 

a) when set to the SINGLE position:

 

- the release of aerial bombs (АБ) occurs individually with each press of the P-trigger in sequence 9, 10, 2, 1, 3, 4, 5, 6 from the bomb mounts;

 

- the firing rockets from two symmetrical 80mm unguided rocket B-8M-1 (Б-8М-1) launchers occurs in volleys with a 0.8 sec interval, when you press and hold the P-trigger until the launchers are empty.

 

In order to fire the next two pods, the P-trigger must be released and, then, pressed again;

 

- 122mm unguided rockets B-13L (Б-13Л) are fired from their launcher pods in the same way as the 80mm rockets except that the interval is 0.16 sec;

 

- S-25 (С-25) rockets are fired one at a time with each press of the P-trigger.

 

b) when set to the PAIRS position:

 

- upon the first press of the P-trigger, four aerial bombs (АБ) are released at a fixed interval of 0.1 sec from stations 9, 10, 2, 1;

 

- on the second press, they are released in sequence from stations 3,4,3 (indicated on the PI-10P Weapon Status Panel by station 5), 4 (indicated by station 6);

 

- release of 88mm and 122mm unguided rockets is identical to the SINGLE position;

 

- S-25 rockets are fired from two symmetrical stations with an interval of 0.16 sec with each press of the trigger;

 

c) when set to the SERIES position:

 

- all aerial bombs (АБ) are released according to the interval set on the PVI-10PE2 (ПВИ-10ПЭ2) when the P-trigger is pressed and held until all bombs are released from their suspension points in the sequence 9, 10, 2, 1, 3, 4, 5, 6;

 

- the entire pod of B-8M-1 and B-13L rockets are fired, when you press and hold the P-trigger until all are fired;

 

- S-25s are all fired one at a time from their suspension point in the sequence 3, 4, 3 (indicated on the PI-10P as station 5), 4 (indicated as station 6), when you press and hold the P-trigger.

 

What we have in the sim is something of a hog-pog of settings and /or creative license.

[FightingFalcon]

Where are you quoting this information from? Ive searched the SU-27 manual and cant find what you have posted.

 

What is an "RW Thing"?

 

From what I can see there doesnt seem to be a "series position" in this aircraft currently. Its either single or in pairs, with no way to tell which state its currently in. Is this what you mean when you say the sim is hog pog?

 

What is the "PVI-10PE2" Again I found no mention of this in the manual. I searched the keybindings section for "interval" and found nothing. Perhaps this is the function thats related to the "SERIES" position that currently isnt actually in the aircraft?

 

Just trying to understand what you mean here. Some of the tech speak and abbreviations are still new to me. Thanks.

[Ironhand]

Where are you quoting this information from? Ive searched the SU-27 manual and cant find what you have posted.

 

What is an "RW Thing"?

 

From what I can see there doesnt seem to be a "series position" in this aircraft currently. Its either single or in pairs, with no way to tell which state its currently in. Is this what you mean when you say the sim is hog pog?

 

What is the "PVI-10PE2" Again I found no mention of this in the manual. I searched the keybindings section for "interval" and found nothing. Perhaps this is the function thats related to the "SERIES" position that currently isnt actually in the aircraft?

 

Just trying to understand what you mean here. Some of the tech speak and abbreviations are still new to me. Thanks.

RW=real world. I'm getting lazy in my old age and didn't feel like writing it out fully.

 

PVI-10PE2=the Russian (transliterated) name for that panel you're looking at in the upper left corner of the cockpit.

 

I'm quoting from the Russian RW manual for the Su-27SK. I've done a bit of translating.

 

And, yes, that's what I mean by hog-pog. The sim has taken liberties in sequencing, etc. This simming aircraft started life well before customers started demanding absolute fidelity--not that you are. Just saying that attitudes have changed over the years.

[FightingFalcon]

Ah ok thanks for explaining that, now I understand what you mean.