The VirpiLogitech MongoosG940 FFB

[RealDCSpilot]

Kudos to Baur from Virpil for the base thread 3D data and fred41 for his excellent G940 firmware patch.

[mungo13]

Do not try to ride a dead horse!

Alec Delorean: Hold my beer!

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Can you provide us with some description what had to be done and what have you achieved? Do you have full grip functionality and so one?

[RealDCSpilot]

Yes, the grip has full functionality. It's 2 separate USB devices in one housing.

:) Here you go: https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:3849592

[mungo13]

pretty expensive job :shocking:

 

Just that threading die for this size is already fairly expensive (I was looking for it when thinking about some projects).

Btw. although already done for someone else - there are fairly cheap cable fitting reductions with M32 thread and smaller one that would allow to look form either cheaper die or even something commercially available.

They may be even used to make extension for Virpil controllers.

 

Examples

https://www.kaiser-elektro.de/en_DE/products/industrial-products/accessories-for-cable-glands/reduction-and-enlarging-fittings/

[RealDCSpilot]

Hmmm, "expensive"...

 

https://www.brunner-innovation.swiss/produkt/cls-e-joystick/?lang=de

or

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=247100

 

And i was never looking after a "cheap" solution in the first place. The adapter should be as light as possible and fit as tight as possible.

Edited September 8, 2019 by Alec Delorean

[mungo13]

Hmmm, "expensive"...

 

https://www.brunner-innovation.swiss/produkt/cls-e-joystick/?lang=de

or

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=247100

 

And i was never looking after a "cheap" solution in the first place. The adapter should be as light as possible and fit as tight as possible.

I am not talking about more fancy sim jewelry, rather about buying base just for electronic board and throwing all mechanical part away - mechanical part of the higher end base.

Neither I am saying that I do not understand why and so on, just ... poor WarBRD ;)

 

Well, I wonder what would be the results of the comparison between industrial-made thread (one not meant to be ultra precise) and hand-cut one when it comes to the precision. Just to know when it would be better to trust myself

[Sokol1_br]

Mungo

 

If you order that 3D Printed piece in Shapeways will don't need the treading die tool.

Their resolution is sufficient good, see Debolestis examples.

[mungo13]

Mungo

 

If you order that 3D Printed piece in Shapeways will don't need the treading die tool.

Their resolution is sufficient good, see Debolestis examples.

I know and I have seen few 3d models for printers to do this. As I am not 3d printer owner I was looking for kind of a "how to" just coming across thread die at around 50 Euro. I was questioning myself why Virpils extension - piece of threaded tube costs 24 €).

 

Of course, you can use 3D printer, buy it, order the print, eventually you can use those fittings for size reduction for tube that is more easy to find or to make threads on and also to bend if you want curved extension.

I checked that tools do we have, for smaller diameters we have the dies, but M32 would be a single use overkill.

[RealDCSpilot]

@Mungo

 

 

You didn't seem to get the hint with "fancy sim jewelry", let me put it into perspective:

 

- i paid 280,- bucks for the complete G940 system (exactly 10 years ago, base+grip+pedals+throttle)

- a WarBRD base + MongoosT50-CM2 grip costs ~430,-

- the threading die was ~70,-

 

So the upgrade did cost me around 500,- bucks and i have a backup base now (WarBRD base, easy to re-assemble) if anything goes wrong. To put it into perspective, what are the other options?

Brunner base + MongoosT50-CM2 -> around 1.500,-

Gauss base + MongoosT-CM2 -> around 1.300,-

 

 

So being picky about 50,- bucks more or less doesn't make any sense to me for getting a fully functional FFB Hotas with hall sensors and a high end grip.

Edited September 10, 2019 by Alec Delorean

[mungo13]

@Mungo

 

 

You didn't seem to get the hint with "fancy sim jewelry", let me put it into perspective:

 

- i paid 280,- bucks for the complete G940 system (exactly 10 years ago, base+grip+pedals+throttle)

- a WarBRD base + MongoosT50-CM2 grip costs ~430,-

- the threading die was ~70,-

 

So the upgrade did cost me around 500,- bucks and i have a backup base now (WarBRD base, easy to re-assemble) if anything goes wrong. To put it into perspective, what are the other options?

Brunner base + MongoosT50-CM2 -> around 1.500,-

Gauss base + MongoosT-CM2 -> around 1.300,-

 

 

So being picky about 50,- bucks more or less doesn't make any sense to me for getting a fully functional FFB Hotas with hall sensors and a high end grip.

Do not worry, I got it, I know range of the prices of the above mentioned devices, including the Logitech set.

I am just a little bit afraid that you slightly missed that little point: Fair number of people is looking at their budget whether they have budget to buy i.e. Virpil controller set. Even those sim fans. And than you see a doctor FrankenSIM who buys complete controller just to transplant the head on another body. And that new nice body goes to mausoleum. There is simply that taste of the strangeness no matter how much you understand "why".

We have one saying that translated is "I am not going to buy whole pig when I want to eat sausage". And this is kind of a antithesis. *joke launch detected*

Once again: I understand why is so.

 

 

And yes, I know the prices, and know that if one wants force feedback he has little to no options and when he wants good grip and do not want to play with soldering iron, uploading firmware and so on, he has hardly any other viable option.

Btw. I have maybe 3 backup joysticks, backup yoke, backup TrackIR and I try not to think how much money went away this way :D No, I am not immune

 

Enjoy. Really. As I am personally thinking about doing something similar to one of my Sidewinders FF2. Just maybe using old Suncom F-15 grip and converting it to MMJoy. I am not on your level