Avimimus Posted November 22, 2004 Posted November 22, 2004 Are there any plans to increase the variety of rocket armament in V1.1? There is a very wide variety of warheads (Thermobaric, blast frgamentation, fragmentation, heat, He etc.) in the Russian arsenal. I can only assume that more than one type of ammunition can be carried in the same pod, will this be modeled? It should be noted that some of these are not in service and some are research weapons: Unguided rocket S-5 (S-5 ,S-5I ,S-5K ,S-5KO ,S-5KP ,S-5M ,S-5MO ,S-5O ,S-5P ,S-5S) Unguided rocket S-8 (S-8A ,S-8B ,S-8BM ,S-8D ,S-8DM ,S-8KOM ,S-8M ,S-8O ,S-8OF ,S-8M ,S-8PM ,S-8T) Unguided rocket S-13 (S-13D ,S-13OF ,S-13T)
Avimimus Posted November 22, 2004 Author Posted November 22, 2004 S-5M (ARS-57M) – Fragmentation S-5K (KARS-57) – Hollow Charge S-5P – Chaff dispenser S-5O – Night Tracer S-5MO – Fragmentation High-Explosive S-5KO – Hollow Charge S-5KP – Armor-Piercing S-5S – Fragmentation S-5I – Flare S-5 – Fragmentation High-Explosive S-8A – Fragmentation High-Explosive S-8M – Hollow Charge S-8B – Concrete-Piercing S-8OF – Fragmentation High-Explosive S-8O – Night Tracer S-8P – Chaff dispenser S-8D – High-Explosive S-8BM – Armor-Piercing S-8KOM – Hollow Charge S-8OM – Flare
Kula66 Posted November 22, 2004 Posted November 22, 2004 Do they produce different visual effects? Those big Russian rockets are GREAT!!! Also have the blast radii for big HE weapons been investigated/increased? Dropping 2000lb'ers on trucks you seem to have to get ridiculously close ... I though the bast radii for these was measureed in 100's of ft for soft skin vehicles. James
Mechanist Posted November 22, 2004 Posted November 22, 2004 Great idea :wink: Also the RBK bombs have various filling: ZAB-2.5: incendiary bomblet ZAB-1E: incendiary bomblet SPBE-D SFW: anti-tank smart bomblet SPBE: anti-tank IR bomblet BetAB: airfield cratering bomblet OKT-1.5: incendiary or chemical bomblet AO-2.5: fragmentation bomblet AO-2.5 RTM: anti-personnel/material bomblet AO-1SCh: fragmentation bomblet PTAB-1M: anti-tank bomblet PTAB-2.5: anti-tank bomblet ShOAB-0.5: anti-personnel bomblet PFM-1: anti-personnel minelet "Fighters make movies, bombers make history."
GGTharos Posted November 22, 2004 Posted November 22, 2004 The problem is that the damage model isn't there to support each different warhead type, or so it seems, anyway. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
ED Team Chizh Posted November 22, 2004 ED Team Posted November 22, 2004 In 1.1 we shall simulate concrete-piercing and hollow charge effects. It concerns to concrete-piercing bombs and hollow charge anti-armor ammunition. For example, if anti-armor missile like “Vikhr” direct hit in the IFV it can be struck but if the missile hit near vehicle at least in 1 m or less the damage will not be caused to vehicle. In the future, I think, we shall make night lighting and countermeasures (chaff-flare) rockets. Единственный урок, который можно извлечь из истории, состоит в том, что люди не извлекают из истории никаких уроков. (С) Джордж Бернард Шоу
GGTharos Posted November 23, 2004 Posted November 23, 2004 That's very nice Chizh! What about cluster munitions? Anyplans on modelling things like the guided sub-munitions in the CBU-97? Or possibly modelling damage in such a way that you can't drop a building with just a couple CBU's? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Kula66 Posted November 23, 2004 Posted November 23, 2004 Thanks Chizh, glad to hear this area is getting attention ...I just love the shockwave modelling you get from an explosion currently!! James
Mechanist Posted November 24, 2004 Posted November 24, 2004 In 1.1 we shall simulate concrete-piercing and hollow charge effects. It concerns to concrete-piercing bombs and hollow charge anti-armor ammunition. For example, if anti-armor missile like “Vikhr” direct hit in the IFV it can be struck but if the missile hit near vehicle at least in 1 m or less the damage will not be caused to vehicle. In the future, I think, we shall make night lighting and countermeasures (chaff-flare) rockets. Thats good news at all! Maybe (i think) it is enough to make 2 different type of the S-5 and the S-8 rockets. A fragamention one and an armor-piercing one. You can use the fragamention ones well against "soft" targets like trucks or IFVs but almost ineffective against "hard" targets like tanks and ships. The armor-piercing ones, you can use against tanks and ships ,but it have no blast damage. I think this 2 types of unguided rockets would we use 90% of our missions ,if we get the whole S-5 and S-8 family modelled. So it is enough to modell this ones. (Sorry for my english, i hope you understand my text :wink: ) "Fighters make movies, bombers make history."
Avimimus Posted November 25, 2004 Author Posted November 25, 2004 In 1.1 we shall simulate concrete-piercing and hollow charge effects. It concerns to concrete-piercing bombs and hollow charge anti-armor ammunition. For example, if anti-armor missile like “Vikhr” direct hit in the IFV it can be struck but if the missile hit near vehicle at least in 1 m or less the damage will not be caused to vehicle. In the future, I think, we shall make night lighting and countermeasures (chaff-flare) rockets. Very cool! I love you guys! Thats good news at all! Maybe (i think) it is enough to make 2 different type of the S-5 and the S-8 rockets. A fragamention one and an armor-piercing one. You can use the fragamention ones well against "soft" targets like trucks or IFVs but almost ineffective against "hard" targets like tanks and ships. The armor-piercing ones, you can use against tanks and ships ,but it have no blast damage. I think this 2 types of unguided rockets would we use 90% of our missions ,if we get the whole S-5 and S-8 family modelled. So it is enough to modell this ones. (Sorry for my english, i hope you understand my text ) Mechanist (Btw.-Your english is quite good). I agree that we do not need them all modeled. But it would be nice to see at least three basic types: Armour-piercing (for AFVs), Fragmentation (for soft targets), High explosive (against buildings). It would be ideal if we can someday have multiple types of rockets in the same pod. Does anyone know if it is possible to select and fire different tubes with Russian rocket pods?
Mechanist Posted November 25, 2004 Posted November 25, 2004 Mechanist (Btw.-Your english is quite good). First of all: Thanks Avimimus I agree that we do not need them all modeled. But it would be nice to see at least three basic types: Armour-piercing (for AFVs), Fragmentation (for soft targets), High explosive (against buildings). Yeah! The High explosive rockets would be fun at all! But the armor-piercing and the fragamention rocket would be the workhorse of the unguided rockets. It would be ideal if we can someday have multiple types of rockets in the same pod. Does anyone know if it is possible to select and fire different tubes with Russian rocket pods? Yes it is possible. The rocket blocks have a predetermined sequence of rocket fireing. You just have to fill the blocks with different type of rockets. Than you can fire for example 5 signal than 10 fragamention than 5 AP rockets from one block. "Fighters make movies, bombers make history."
Avimimus Posted November 25, 2004 Author Posted November 25, 2004 Yes it is possible. The rocket blocks have a predetermined sequence of rocket fireing. You just have to fill the blocks with different type of rockets. Than you can fire for example 5 signal than 10 fragamention than 5 AP rockets from one block. Interesting. I suppose by selecting different pods as well you could choose which order to fire them.
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