Radar zoom or expand?

[Eagle7907]

Asking because I haven’t came across this in a manual and also ran into this problem in engagements.

 

Is there a zoom or expand function for the radar? I find that when enemy flights are closely spaced that a Phoenix shot gets easily spoofed/confused. Wondering if I’m missing something or my technique is flawed.

 

Thanks all.

 

 

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[Spiceman]

All you can do is choose the smallest workable range on the TID. This is probably obvious, but any expand or zoom function would be for the display only. The targets are what the targets are as far as the radar seeing them (as opposed to your eyeballs discerning them on a display).

[Eagle7907]

All you can do is choose the smallest workable range on the TID. This is probably obvious, but any expand or zoom function would be for the display only. The targets are what the targets are as far as the radar seeing them (as opposed to your eyeballs discerning them on a display).

 

 

I see. So I'm guessing, the best technique then is to fire just one Fox 3 and wait for any possible separation before fire another?

[Fri13]

Asking because I haven’t came across this in a manual and also ran into this problem in engagements.

 

Is there a zoom or expand function for the radar? I find that when enemy flights are closely spaced that a Phoenix shot gets easily spoofed/confused. Wondering if I’m missing something or my technique is flawed.

 

That is the problem even with modern radars. The radar resolution can be so low that close formation flying (that all trains for, not for Air-to-Air refueling but for BVR) toward radar can hide multiple fighters as one target. And only way to find that out is to have a peek from side, why wingmens fly at wider separation when going to check the bogey that is there possibly more than one. As when the radar gets the angle where aircrafts ain't lined up closely, they become visible.

 

And even if your radar resolution would be enough to separate the targets, they can be on the edge of it so individual targets merge and separate from one. This is as well one tactic you can use against TWS shots by flying toward radar and performing wide scissors by merging close to each other, as the radar can't track the targets as to it two targets merge as one and then they separate again, and it doesn't know which track file went on what direction.

 

In formation flying where lead will stay between radar and the rest of the flight, you can block the radar capability to see behind the lead aircraft. And then perform multiple timed separations and you break the lock by joining and merging.

 

This way you can quickly deny all long range TWS shots, as well STT shots and get to range for visual range engagement, or get your own missile the increased energy benefit to reach radar target as you have avoided their long range launches.

 

https://www.radartutorial.eu/01.basics/Range%20Resolution.en.html

 

 

Example separation 100m

 

Example separation 300m

 

You can see the similar case presented in the Top Gun.

 

[Eagle7907]

That is the problem even with modern radars. The radar resolution can be so low that close formation flying (that all trains for, not for Air-to-Air refueling but for BVR) toward radar can hide multiple fighters as one target. And only way to find that out is to have a peek from side, why wingmens fly at wider separation when going to check the bogey that is there possibly more than one. As when the radar gets the angle where aircrafts ain't lined up closely, they become visible.

 

 

 

And even if your radar resolution would be enough to separate the targets, they can be on the edge of it so individual targets merge and separate from one. This is as well one tactic you can use against TWS shots by flying toward radar and performing wide scissors by merging close to each other, as the radar can't track the targets as to it two targets merge as one and then they separate again, and it doesn't know which track file went on what direction.

 

 

 

In formation flying where lead will stay between radar and the rest of the flight, you can block the radar capability to see behind the lead aircraft. And then perform multiple timed separations and you break the lock by joining and merging.

 

 

 

This way you can quickly deny all long range TWS shots, as well STT shots and get to range for visual range engagement, or get your own missile the increased energy benefit to reach radar target as you have avoided their long range launches.

 

 

 

https://www.radartutorial.eu/01.basics/Range%20Resolution.en.html

 

 

 

 

 

Example separation 100m

 

 

 

 

Example separation 300m

 

 

 

 

You can see the similar case presented in the Top Gun.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Oh okay! I remember that. I thought that was just the film industry just doing its usual thing.

 

 

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[jojo]

Yes, like explained, radar have a minimum resolution cell, both in range and azimuth.

 

Some radar may have Doppler analysis "expand mode" to better see into that cell. You can find data about it in the F-15. Not aware of it with AWG-9.

[Eagle7907]

On sort of a related note, is this why Jester sometimes says “two ship” when in fact is just a single? I’ve noticed this happens a lot.

 

 

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[BonerCat]

The best you can do is zoom on your TID

 

Put it to ground stab, lower the TID range, and use the HCU offset to move the TID where you want it

It won't help the radar tho. It'll still see the same thing

 

As for why jester calls out 2 ships for a single ship, it could be possible that with a bit of INS drift, jester will take the bandits radar return and datalink return as 2 separate contacts, and call out a 2 ship. Just a hypothesis.