Remember about OH-58D Kiowa!

[VMFA117_Poko]

ED should hire an army of coders, developers, artists and who knows who else :D

[Sundowner.pl]

Well they probably should split into 3 teams - one making the engine modifications - that "ground work", and the two other would be responsible for the helicopters and fixed planes :D

 

Well if done after the AH-64A, the Kiowa is not 9 months material, actually what should took longest amount of time should be the 3D modeling, all the data are available, even more then there is needed.

 

Yet, most other choppers would be serious problem since they're so different, and also finding an opposite to Kiowa might be hard. From one point it should be an Ka-29, but it's not really in the same class. The problem probably is that Crimean conflict itself, if we move it somewhere else - let's say Africa, or South America, then we could throw other equipment, like Eurocopter Fennec.

[Avimimus]

Actually, the most persistent "demand" made by more experienced rotorheads is the chance to fly scout helicopters and insertions. The fact is that attack helicopters simply have a very narrow role on the battlefield.

 

Imagine flying an OH-58 on medivac through a storm, using an advanced flight model... or landing a UH-60 on a field and watching troops jump out into the grass to inspect a town during a COIN op...

[Avimimus]

oh no :( do the B105 instead much more fun to fly.

http://www.guncopter.com/video/bo-105-hot-missiles.php

 

That is insane. I knew that the German army was strange (probably the long martial tradition mixed with psychological stress from being in the Fulda Gap) but this is crazy. Weren't there also small two seater tankets with anti-tank missiles or 20mm cannon? I don't fly this way (even with the Bo-105) because I assumed no one...

 

Just watch the video...

[Sundowner.pl]

The problem with transport aircraft is... they actually can't work in environment where there are almost no troops, or the troops AI is nonexistent. To implement choppers like UH-60, Mi-171, OH-6, MH-53 etc. there has to be done troops AI, at least ArmA-type level. There is no point in flying BlackHawk from point A to point B just avoiding threats, there have to be deeper meaning to this, and some sort of gratification - let it be the sight of crowded LZ with troops realistically interacting with each other and helicopters.

 

A lot of hard work, and then a lot of CPU power will have to be spend on doing this.

[VMFA117_Poko]

True, true, true. Give us a finger and we will take the whole hand :D

[Avimimus]

Given a bit of time and enough resources I am sure that ED can do it.

 

There might also be an opportunity to only have detailed animations, behaviour and AI close up but to feed all of the decisions to a squad AI most of the time.

 

In SFP1 there are mods that add unanimated infantry squads that move across the landscape. For objects of a fixed shape, that slide around they are surprisingly immersing and realistic. I would also point out the DI Hind had working, fighting infantry and that was ten years ago in 1997.

[ANGST]

Back in the 80's we said in a war with WARPACT , Targets would be marked with the flaming wreckage of a Kiowa ;)

[GGTharos]

Actually no it didn't ... the Iraqi army got rolled up almost like it wasn't even there. Insurgent/Freedom Fighter 'operations' are quite different and out of context for that quote. And that's all there is to that.

[Yellonet]

Actually no it didn't ... the Iraqi army got rolled up almost like it wasn't even there. Insurgent/Freedom Fighter 'operations' are quite different and out of context for that quote. And that's all there is to that.

Mmhm... that would surely lead to difficulties making a safe landing.

[Avimimus]

For a COIN type of situation the Kiowa has benefits. It is much cheaper to fly and you could probably have more of them on patrol (allowing a fast response).

[Avimimus]

Experiment.

[Fitz]

Hehe, and that actually became truth in Iraq... :music_whistling:

 

Very tasteful.

 

Anyways, we are talking OH-58D here right? Not even close to an A or C model. It can't carry troops because the spot where the seats would go is filled with archaic avionics components. And nobody (OH-58D squadron wise) carries Stinger missiles these days.

 

And to Wags, if we are talking D models I could assist with the beta testing.:smilewink:

[Avimimus]

I personally wouldn't mind one of the earlier variants as well. How hard would it be to make both? The A and C have simple analogue avionics, correct?

[Sundowner.pl]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=dwK1i9QE38c&NR=1

 

I love those videos.

[Bushmaster]

There's no need to have Kiowa flyable. Who would like to fly it? It's about getting realistic Apaches ops. Thanks Wags, I will stay tuned then.

 

 

We are phasing them out, they will be replaced by ARHs from Bell (again), that should be considered, I agree no need to make it flyable, but we have to make Delta model Apache flyable.

 

On a different note, what is the promise of DCS "Series"? Adding a new aircraft every so many months or years, until when, according to what, I am just wondering... We might need TBs of harddisk space...

[Bushmaster]

And nobody (OH-58D squadron wise) carries Stinger missiles these days.

 

We don't either...

[Fitz]

We are phasing them out, they will be replaced by ARHs from Bell (again), that should be considered, I agree no need to make it flyable, but we have to make Delta model Apache flyable.

 

 

That's funny. At this rate, your D model Apache will be a G model when, or possibly if, the ARH is fielded.

[Bushmaster]

That's funny. At this rate, your D model Apache will be a G model when, or possibly if, the ARH is fielded.

 

:music_whistling: Why funny? Army stated many times that Apache is here to stay, regardless what model it is, D, G, or Z, the point is Army wants to replace the Kiowa... why funny? :thumbup:

[Fitz]

:music_whistling: Why funny? Army stated many times that Apache is here to stay, regardless what model it is, D, G, or Z, the point is Army wants to replace the Kiowa... why funny? :thumbup:

 

What I am saying is that the ARH program is encountering difficulties and the KW will be around for awhile

[Fitz]

The KW has been an "interim" aircraft for 20 years. Supposed to be replaced by the Commanche.

[Bushmaster]

Well, you are right, Comanche failed, now they are looking up to ARH and don't want disappointment, Bell website advertises as it is moving along smoothly, though it seems not.

[britgliderpilot]

We are phasing them out, they will be replaced by ARHs from Bell (again), that should be considered, I agree no need to make it flyable, but we have to make Delta model Apache flyable.

 

On a different note, what is the promise of DCS "Series"? Adding a new aircraft every so many months or years, until when, according to what, I am just wondering... We might need TBs of harddisk space...

 

DCS makes no promises ;)

 

The basic idea is to add new aircraft modelled to as high a level of detail as possible. When Black Shark's released you should get a better idea of what that level is :)

 

No time limit has been set - it's almost impossible to avoid disappointing people one way or another if you do - but nine months between modules has been bandied around as an aiming point.

That may or may not be achievable, though, so take it with a pinch of salt.

 

As to where it ends up?

Well there are certainly plans for three aircraft, and that'll take several years. Don't know how long it'll carry on for.

 

Don't figure on it taking terabytes - see the incremental increase in install size of FC over Lomac for a rough guide.

 

 

The AH-64D would be a very desirable aircraft to have, but I'd imagine there's still some classification issues with the radar. You're probably better informed on that than I am - is the information in the public domain yet?

[Bushmaster]

The AH-64D would be a very desirable aircraft to have, but I'd imagine there's still some classification issues with the radar. You're probably better informed on that than I am - is the information in the public domain yet?

 

 

Well, depends on what info is needed, all of our training materials were unclassified.

 

Three aircraft for years... A-10, Ka-50 and -64A... I was hoping to see an ED F-16 because F4 is pretty much dead, it is not going anywhere.

[Sundowner.pl]

Most technical data about the radar alone is available or can be calculated. What really is unknown is the resistance to jamming and algorithms of differentiation between target types.

 

The thing is... those could be faked, and no one would notice, people like you or Brad, would just put thumb up or down, depending how close it would be to what you see everyday. So I don't see much problems with the FCR. The same goes for countermeasures.

 

So that leaves the avionics as a problem, the Alpha Apache manual is available, there is everything needed for avionics operation... the Delta's probably not - if it is, than I couldn't find it.