Martyn Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 (edited) Hello, I'm completely stuck on this practise mission. After the initial batch of instructions along heading 040°, there is a climbing turn to 210° at 8000ft, at 280 knots. Here, I usually get sternly reminded to maintain 8000ft even when I have levelled off at 8010ft for example (29.92 altimeter). After this, I am asked to reduce speed to 160kts to try a slow speed turn. Despite cutting throttles and using full airbrakes, I get another stern reminder as I can't slow down fast enough. Once I reach a speed of 157-163kts or so and stabilise there, nothing happens for several seconds until I get "terminate, terminate, terminate" for limits on speed. I'm running 2.5.5 stable. Any ideas? The only thing I noticed is near the start of the mission when asked to slow to 160kts. I only get down to around 170-175kts before the FI says "good" and gives me the next instruction. So perhaps the measuring of slow speeds is a bit 'off'. I don't want to attempt this in the campaign until I have run the practise mission in full. Thanks. Edited April 4, 2020 by Martyn Corrected DCS version number - oops! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldi23 Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 Hello .. yes am having the exact same problem.. Is this a bug or are we doing something wrong?? Running on 2.5.6 OB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre-TLA Posted April 4, 2020 Share Posted April 4, 2020 The mission hasn't been updated for some time so the triggers should still be operating as intended (and as in the video below). For the altitude make sure you set your altimeter to 2992. That should ensure you are within the correct trigger range. For the speed issue try quickly pulling the nose up to reduce speed. You have 25 seconds from the dialogue before you get a warning and then at 45 seconds you will get the terminate if you haven't slowed down in time. If things are not playing that way then try a DCS Repair or an uninstall and reinstall of the campaign files. If it's still a problem, please post a trk file or email us at mapleflagmissions@gmail.com and we can investigate further. Here is a video of how the mission should play out: MapleFlagMissions - Read Our Blog for Updates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn Posted April 4, 2020 Author Share Posted April 4, 2020 Hi Sabre, thanks for the quick reply and the tips. I've done a repair (didn't take long, not sure how thorough that was?) and then also deleted and reinstalled the campaign files through the Module Manager. Same problem exists. This is on the practise version of the mission though. It's possible that the actual campaign mission doesn't have it, I haven't tried it yet for obvious reasons. I've attached a track showing the problem. After the climbing right turn, when being instructed to slow to 160kts, I get barked at to maintain Angels 8, even though I already am. I then get the speed to 160kts in time but it still fails. I think you can agree that my flying was accurate enough to avoid termination! :doh: Earlier, before the first left-hand 360° turn, I also notice that you get told to begin long before the speed picks up to 280kts. In fact, even in the video you shared the turn is made well below the requested speed, though it doesn't seem to matter. Most other speed conditions appear to be fairly accurate. Thanks in advance for any help.A-10C BFT05 Practise Error.zip 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre-TLA Posted April 5, 2020 Share Posted April 5, 2020 Thanks for the trk. We will take a look. We have some updates planned so we can adjust the triggers if they are not working as expected. MapleFlagMissions - Read Our Blog for Updates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn Posted May 23, 2020 Author Share Posted May 23, 2020 Hi Sabre, Just checking in to see if there is any progress with this mission trigger issue? It seems we're some way off getting a new update for the stable branch, but I didn't see any fixes related to this campaign in the Open Beta patch notes either. I'd be happy to test out a revised practise mission if a potential fix is available. It's a shame that I've had to abandon the campaign due to this minor issue with the practise mission. I suppose attempting the mission 'blind' in the actual campaign is possible. That might not have the same glitch, but it might ruin my record/score :huh: Many thanks in advance. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre-TLA Posted May 24, 2020 Share Posted May 24, 2020 No sorry we are still updating the voice overs. We will post an update once we have everything ready and tested - it shouldn't be too much longer. MapleFlagMissions - Read Our Blog for Updates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martyn Posted October 1, 2020 Author Share Posted October 1, 2020 Four-and-a-bit months on, any news on a fix for this mission, Sabre? I run stable, and while I saw the below update for this campaign in a recent Open Beta patch, I didn't see anything on this one yet. Missions BFT02, BFT03, BFT11: Updated AI vehicle paths to avoid collisions. Despite my renewed enthusiasm to more deeply learn the A-10C earlier this year, I lost my momentum with this campaign issue and have long since moved on to other things. Now I'm waiting for Asobo to fix problems in MSFS instead :D It's not life or death, so you'll get no ranting or demands from me, but it is a product I paid for and it's broken, so I really hope to get a fix during this year... I would say that's being patient enough :) I bought the A-10C II so look forward to future content on that, though I won't get to fly it until it hits stable; can't be doing with the hassles of OB, nor the space require to run two installs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre-TLA Posted October 2, 2020 Share Posted October 2, 2020 Sorry this has been taking so long. We really were hoping our updated campaign with the new voice overs would have been released by now but it's been delayed for a variety of reasons. Updates to stable are also taking longer with the new patch model ED introduced. We will take a look and see if we can back-prop our fixes if we can't get the updated campaign done before the next stable patch update. MapleFlagMissions - Read Our Blog for Updates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docsnuggles Posted September 15, 2021 Share Posted September 15, 2021 (edited) On 10/2/2020 at 5:20 PM, Sabre-TLA said: Sorry this has been taking so long. We really were hoping our updated campaign with the new voice overs would have been released by now but it's been delayed for a variety of reasons. Updates to stable are also taking longer with the new patch model ED introduced. We will take a look and see if we can back-prop our fixes if we can't get the updated campaign done before the next stable patch update. Same issue here, tpps in BFT05 dont work. It's annoying. Someone should fix those triggers or make the files open so that we can do it ourself. But to know you did everything right and get a permanent bug that could be easily fixed is not very nice. Edit: OB as well as stable. Edited September 15, 2021 by Docsnuggles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre-TLA Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 These issues were fixed in the updated campaign with the new voice overs unless it's a new bug. Can you elaborate on the specific issue and include a trk file or better explanation of the specific problem you are experiencing? MapleFlagMissions - Read Our Blog for Updates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docsnuggles Posted September 16, 2021 Share Posted September 16, 2021 19 hours ago, Sabre-TLA said: These issues were fixed in the updated campaign with the new voice overs unless it's a new bug. Can you elaborate on the specific issue and include a trk file or better explanation of the specific problem you are experiencing? when I have the nerve to fly it again yes; it was in the slow down to 160 section and even though I slowed below the following order did not occur. Actual stable, or is it there not yet patched? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre-TLA Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 It should be in the stable as it was released awhile ago. I assume you used your airbrakes to slow down - just want to confirm. We will retest and see if we can reproduce it. MapleFlagMissions - Read Our Blog for Updates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docsnuggles Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) BFT05 - Basic Maneuvers.part1.raryeah, used airbrakes; weird as I did it 2 times and on the second 360 now it went on, after i got near the original path and aimed for next steerpoint. seems that you need to be exactly on course which is not possible when you follow the spoken orders. can you check? trk is 22mb and winrar is not making splitted files atm, actually i feel like a bughunter... Edited September 17, 2021 by Docsnuggles file add 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docsnuggles Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) 2/5BFT05 - Basic Maneuvers.part2.rar Edited September 17, 2021 by Docsnuggles file add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Docsnuggles Posted September 17, 2021 Share Posted September 17, 2021 (edited) BFT05 - Basic Maneuvers.part4.rar4 1 hour ago, Docsnuggles said: yeah, used airbrakes; weird as I did it 2 times and on the second 360 now it went on, after i got near the original path and aimed for next steerpoint. seems that you need to be exactly on course which is not possible when you follow the spoken orders. can you check? trk is 22mb and winrar is not making splitted files atm, actually i feel like a bughunter... Edited September 17, 2021 by Docsnuggles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre-TLA Posted September 18, 2021 Share Posted September 18, 2021 Thanks for the files. We will take a look and compare to our testing. 1 MapleFlagMissions - Read Our Blog for Updates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Docsnuggles Posted September 24, 2021 Share Posted September 24, 2021 On 9/18/2021 at 3:16 PM, Sabre-TLA said: Thanks for the files. We will take a look and compare to our testing. in the training campaign its the same, btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre-TLA Posted October 1, 2021 Share Posted October 1, 2021 Yes the triggers are identical. We will see if we can widen the detection range to make it a little easier to complete the maneuvers. MapleFlagMissions - Read Our Blog for Updates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wespe Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 02.10.2021 в 00:59, Sabre-TLA сказал: Yes the triggers are identical. We will see if we can widen the detection range to make it a little easier to complete the maneuvers. still not work(( reduced to 160 and the following order did not occur. I7-13700k RTX4070Ti 32GB DDR5 Logitech X-56 Track IR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre-TLA Posted December 6, 2021 Share Posted December 6, 2021 We tweaked the triggers to provide a larger range and updated both A-10C and A-10C II practice and campaign missions. ED has the updated files so should be fixed in the next update (OpenBeta). Not sure how long before the Standard version gets updated. MapleFlagMissions - Read Our Blog for Updates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wespe Posted December 7, 2021 Share Posted December 7, 2021 (edited) 15 часов назад, Sabre-TLA сказал: We tweaked the triggers to provide a larger range and updated both A-10C and A-10C II practice and campaign missions. ED has the updated files so should be fixed in the next update (OpenBeta). Not sure how long before the Standard version gets updated. Super, i have open beta, waiting for update! Thank you for answer and for great campaign! UPD, I tried again and did it! Just a miracle)) Edited December 7, 2021 by Wespe 1 I7-13700k RTX4070Ti 32GB DDR5 Logitech X-56 Track IR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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