SD-10 keeps flying by the target and doesnt track 90% of the time

[Chiron]

Okay but, that chaff was released when they were at a 90 degree angle to missile:)

 

try this against aim-120 family and u will surprise

[Chiron]

u know what ?? try 90 degree notch with chaff and flying low with 300 knots and u will surprise how the missile keep tracking

 

let me show u the AIM-120 wonder

 

https://gyazo.com/0fff4a8768fa94f88e6061e2b47112ad

 

as u can see the missile did 180 degree and coming back

 

https://gyazo.com/7558749302b85fe378d12c0158c11bb3

https://gyazo.com/3aaa6e639073e0a9913479d946565e4e

https://gyazo.com/28289acfc6011872fdffe799d8e698f1

 

if u performed this against any missile in the game but not aim-120 family its defeated

 

BTW i am not saying its unbeatable i can show u a lot of tacview with defeating aim-120c as i said before its all about training and sensing missile energy so u can defeat it at least kinematic

Edited June 11, 2020 by Chiron

[AeriaGloria]

Yeah it’s CCM resistance was increased, so it’s harder, it’s just that the notching angle is smaller, so you have to be more precise

 

And honestly the first video with the 180 looks like the new guidance behavior, where it computes an intercept course when it loses the target and heads for that. It went from over Mach 2 to subsonic during that turn, I think it would have been a miracle if it hit you

Edited June 11, 2020 by AeriaGloria

[Chiron]

Yeah it’s CCM resistance was increased, so it’s harder, it’s just that the notching angle is smaller, so you have to be more precise

 

And honestly the first video with the 180 looks like the new guidance behavior, where it computes an intercept course when it loses the target and heads for that. It went from over Mach 2 to subsonic during that turn, I think it would have been a miracle if it hit you

 

u are talking like we play in behind enemy lines there is no such a thing even if its a new guidance system there is no way the missile will come back again after he lost the target its over that is how notch in the beginning work do u think that u notch the missile and he come back to u again ?? r u kidden me ?

[sora_061]

u are talking like we play in behind enemy lines there is no such a thing even if its a new guidance system there is no way the missile will come back again after he lost the target its over that is how notch in the beginning work do u think that u notch the missile and he come back to u again ?? r u kidden me ?

So here is a situation. You fired fox 3 relatively close and it's missing target, it does 180 and the target already moved away from radar cone of missile. Just then you are happened to be in radar cone of your own missile. So basicslly you are killed by your own weapon. How in the Behind the enemy lines is that possible, Is it actually a IRL thing I am too DCS to understand.

 

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[Chiron]

So here is a situation. You fired fox 3 relatively close and it's missing target, it does 180 and the target already moved away from radar cone of missile. Just then you are happened to be in radar cone of your own missile. So basicslly you are killed by your own weapon. How in the Behind the enemy lines is that possible, Is it actually a IRL thing I am too DCS to understand.

 

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what ?? who ?? how u saw me dead in what video exactly ??????

 

or u are talking about another situation happened to u ??

Edited June 11, 2020 by Chiron

[sora_061]

what ?? who ?? how u saw me dead in what video exactly ??????

 

or u are talking about another situation happened to u ??

I am just presenting my theory which I haven't checked. This 180 turns, will it keep lock for whole 180. if it breaks lock while doing 180, it can reacquire me also right?

 

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[Chiron]

I am just presenting my theory which I haven't checked. This 180 turns, will it keep lock for whole 180. if it breaks lock while doing 180, it can reacquire me also right?

 

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my friend this aim-120 is not mine ?? i am confused now

 

and if u are talking about this aim-120 if u are the one who launch it and it will come to u ? ........ never

[AeriaGloria]

u are talking like we play in behind enemy lines there is no such a thing even if its a new guidance system there is no way the missile will come back again after he lost the target its over that is how notch in the beginning work do u think that u notch the missile and he come back to u again ?? r u kidden me ?

 

It seems in the new guidance it predicts an intercept position upon losing the target. Becuase of its position that was far to its left when it lost lock, so it kept turning left. It had the energy to make 180 so it did. It probably wouldn’t have been able to hit something well after that, I am not saying it would. But that missiles can re acquire if you leave its notch, so yes a notch won’t “kill” the AMRAAM,, and it can still kill you if it re acquired and has the energy, I am not kidding

[Chiron]

It seems in the new guidance it predicts an intercept position upon losing the target. Becuase of its position that was far to its left when it lost lock, so it kept turning left. It had the energy to make 180 so it did. It probably wouldn’t have been able to hit something well after that, I am not saying it would. But that missiles can re acquire if you leave its notch, so yes a notch won’t “kill” the AMRAAM,, and it can still kill you if it re acquired and has the energy

 

no that is not what i mean if u are in the notch and the missile defeated and already passed u it will never come again as he lost u there is no such a thing if he didn't find u it will pull 180 degree to your previous position that is a missile we are talking about not a drone

[AeriaGloria]

But if it loses you while the intercept position was to its left 90 degrees, so the guidance commands a left turn to reach that last known intercept point, why couldn’t it do 180 if it has the energy to do so?

[Chiron]

But if it loses you while the intercept position was to its left 90 degrees, so the guidance commands a left turn to reach that last known intercept point, why couldn’t it do 180 if it has the energy to do so?

 

i dont think that there is an evidence that support u if u have pls provide me

[foxwxl]

The K coefficient of the NEW 120 is a bit low for close range, it will preserve energy well, but have bad response for high G targets.

 

Pretty sure it will be fixed in later patch.

[sora_061]

my friend this aim-120 is not mine ?? i am confused now

 

and if u are talking about this aim-120 if u are the one who launch it and it will come to u ? ........ never

I'm sorry, I was supposed to post it in different thread. It's about 120C.

[Chiron]

i have a real proof Aeria that this is 100% unrealistic and missile in real life dont do that

 

 

(real pilot talking the conclusion in 9:14 )

 

so i will say it again new aim-120c a bit unrealistic ( immune for chaff i dont have info about that so i will trust ED in that even the history said dont trust him ) i am just talking about missile defeated and come back again that is unrealistic

[Chiron]

The K coefficient of the NEW 120 is a bit low for close range, it will preserve energy well, but have bad response for high G targets.

 

Pretty sure it will be fixed in later patch.

 

how about i show u a tacview that aim-120 shoot in 2 nm beat PL-5 and pull towards me better than PL-5 ???????????????

 

https://gyazo.com/3cc5e2fb9848ca69518b4f87b1edf182

Edited June 11, 2020 by Chiron

[foxwxl]

how about i show u a tacview that aim-120 shoot in 2 nm beat PL-5 and pull towards me better than PL-5 ???????????????

 

https://gyazo.com/3cc5e2fb9848ca69518b4f87b1edf182

 

It didn't suprise me in fact, the target is flying basically a straight line towards the bandit, and with no high off-axis angle, 120 can turn after launch with enough turning room.The F16 is constantly pulling 5-10G during the merge, while Jeff is maintaining no more than 2G before hit.

 

If with high off axis angle / the target is doing some high G barrel roll, it could make great difference.

Edited June 11, 2020 by foxwxl

[Chiron]

It didn't suprise me in fact, the target is flying basically a straight line towards the bandit, and with no high off-axis angle, 120 can turn after launch with enough turning room.The F16 is constantly pulling 5-10G during the merge, while Jeff is maintaining no more than 2G before hit.

 

If with high off axis angle / the target is doing some high G barrel roll, it could make great difference.

 

ok then advice me , should i shot pl-5 upside down and i am not sarcastic i am really asking

[foxwxl]

ok then advice me , should i shot pl-5 upside down and i am not sarcastic i am really asking

 

If U are being shot at 2-4nm in the face by ARH missile, it's extremely dangerous and basicsally no way(no time) to hide or evade. The only thing you can do is just max AB with hard barrel roll dump chaff&flare FAST(I mean, really fast) and pray that the missile won't catch up.

 

And it's better to start maneuver "BEFORE" you're being shot at, not stand still and waiting for a warning.

 

For newer model (120 etc)ARH & most IR SRM, this may get you out of trouble, for standard model(R77 etc) you may still get smashed on the face.

[Chiron]

If U are being shot at 2-4nm in the face by ARH missile, it's extremely dangerous and basicsally no way(no time) to hide or evade. The only thing you can do is just max AB with hard barrel roll dump chaff&flare FAST(I mean, really fast) and pray that the missile won't catch up.

 

And it's better to start maneuver "BEFORE" you're being shot at, not stand still and waiting for a warning.

 

For newer model (120 etc)ARH & most IR SRM, this may get you out of trouble, for standard model(R77 etc) you may still get smashed on the face.

 

copy , and PL-5 what is the perfect shoot in this distance should i shoot from above or flip down when i shoot ?

[foxwxl]

copy , and PL-5 what is the perfect shoot in this distance should i shoot from above or flip down when i shoot ?

 

PL-5 is not a very prefect missile, but can put considerable threat to the enemy @ 1-3nm,if the target did not flare too much, best to lead the missile manually if off-boresight.At higher altitude U can even try a 6-8nm shot if the target is careless and not pay attention to the smoke.

 

Shoot from above could introduce missile look down penalty, but don't think that too much, basically you don't have the time to choose whether to shoot from above or bottom. If the target do not flare & jinking hard, it won't make too much difference, if they do flare rapidly, above and bottom won't make too much differece either:lol:.

[Blinky.ben]

The only thing you can do is just max AB with hard barrel roll dump chaff&flare FAST(I mean, really fast) and pray that the missile won't catch up.

 

This advice I’m guessing is for every missile except Aim-120 or I like to call ED-120. A missile that can no longer be notched and confused by chaff and now does a 180 if it misses you and comes at you from another angle. Yeah the only advice is just eject. But maybe the new ED-120 has inbuilt laser that shoots ejected pilots now.

[AeriaGloria]

i have a real proof Aeria that this is 100% unrealistic and missile in real life dont do that

 

 

(real pilot talking the conclusion in 9:14 )

 

so i will say it again new aim-120c a bit unrealistic ( immune for chaff i dont have info about that so i will trust ED in that even the history said dont trust him ) i am just talking about missile defeated and come back again that is unrealistic

Yes I have seen that video. Just becuase behind enemy lines shows missiles not obeying physics while they did a 180 unrealistically, that does not mean a missile can’t do a 180 under any conditions.

 

So if an AMRAAM predicted an intercept position 90 degrees to its left when it lost the target, and it had enough energy to do that 180(not saying it could hit), then why couldn’t it do 180? I’m not saying it has seeker lock like the missile in behind enemy lines, but that it computes an intercept position and goes there after it loses a lock, and in this specific case it did a 180 and even though it was probably was not going to hit, it had enough energy to make that turn. I don’t see anything wrong with that. It wasn’t magic, it’s speed went from Mach 2 to subsonic, it payed the price, no magic

 

It is chaffable, you just have to be precise in a notch, remember the slower you are the less precise your notch has to be, the effective notch angle is tiny at Mach 1, pretty useless, slow down when notching put your brakes out, and you will find AMRAAMs going dumb even without chaff

Edited June 11, 2020 by AeriaGloria

[foxwxl]

This advice I’m guessing is for every missile except Aim-120 or I like to call ED-120. A missile that can no longer be notched and confused by chaff and now does a 180 if it misses you and comes at you from another angle. Yeah the only advice is just eject. But maybe the new ED-120 has inbuilt laser that shoots ejected pilots now.

 

In fact the new AIM-120 can NOT pull the namely G at will,it has limitations and reaction time to let you get away,and most other old model missile can pull the max G instantly without too much limitations.

 

As for the 180deg turns, I think these kind of obvious bugs are the least thing we need to worry about, the bug is too obvious to be last for a long time.:D

[AeriaGloria]

Yeah as Fox said, if you look it’s manuevering is all based on the authority of the moving tail now which is also animated. So under around Mach 2 it no longer can pull 30G becuase of AOA limit, and at transonic speeds it can only pull 10G for two seconds or so. I mean it’s stabilizers only move 20 degrees! So there is an area where if you get it slow enough, and you’re sure that RWR signal is a single slow missile, then you definitely can out maneuver it if you choose the right time

 

I like all you am just as jealous about the new AMRAAM, I love the new AMRAAM aerodynamic model with actual low speed G limitations and maneuver over shoot with CG changes and realistic control authority, I hope this becomes available for SD-10 eventually