tflash Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 IRL, if you have an STT lock on a target, could it break the lock by "beaming", I.e. flying perperdicular to the emmitter source (APG-63), or does this trick only work to "disappear" on the RWS screen? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 It would work under specific circumstances (the lock notch can easily be tighter than the search notch) as in, severe look-down ... and the right distance (or more specifically, beyond a certain distance). [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
D-Scythe Posted March 5, 2008 Posted March 5, 2008 IRL, if you have an STT lock on a target, could it break the lock by "beaming", I.e. flying perperdicular to the emmitter source (APG-63), or does this trick only work to "disappear" on the RWS screen? What GG said. Some accounts by F-15 and F-5E Aggressor pilots state that within a certain range the APG-63/70 will hold the lock even if the target notches.
GGTharos Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 It's not just the F-15's radar - in general, depending on the range to target and the ground, the reflectd signal might overpower the clutter, or have certain properties that allow it to be distinguished from clutter ... mind you there is probably -always- a possibility that your target will drop in the notch, but it shouldn't be 100% (in lock on it is) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
D-Scythe Posted March 6, 2008 Posted March 6, 2008 It's not just the F-15's radar - in general, depending on the range to target and the ground, the reflectd signal might overpower the clutter, or have certain properties that allow it to be distinguished from clutter ... mind you there is probably -always- a possibility that your target will drop in the notch, but it shouldn't be 100% (in lock on it is) In the book, Wings of Fury: From Vietnam to the Gulf War-The Astonishing True Stories of America's Elite Fighter Pilots, it's been described that in the high profile AIM-ACEVAL exercises, F-5 pilots were consistently able to break the lock of the F-14A's AWG-9 by notching (AIM-ACEVAL is actually where the tactic of notching was born), but the same tactic didn't work on F-15As. Mind you, this was all WVR fighting - BVR wasn't allowed. The book brings up this topic again, when MiG-25s broke the lock of two F-15Cs by beaming BVR, but when the Eagles reacquired at closer range and the MiGs tried to beam them again, it didn't work.
Geier Posted March 7, 2008 Posted March 7, 2008 What GG said. Some accounts by F-15 and F-5E Aggressor pilots state that within a certain range the APG-63/70 will hold the lock even if the target notches. What range? I suppose it should be no more than 10-20nm. What's the real figure?
D-Scythe Posted March 7, 2008 Posted March 7, 2008 What range? I suppose it should be no more than 10-20nm. What's the real figure? Beyond the fact that it was WVR? Clearly not stated in the book ;) However, a lot of famous F-15 pilots are interviewed - basically anyone who got kills in Desert Storm: Kelk, Graeter, Rodriguez, Pitts...You could try contacting them and asking, if you'd like.
Geier Posted March 7, 2008 Posted March 7, 2008 Beyond the fact that it was WVR? Clearly not stated in the book ;) However, a lot of famous F-15 pilots are interviewed - basically anyone who got kills in Desert Storm: Kelk, Graeter, Rodriguez, Pitts...You could try contacting them and asking, if you'd like. Unfortunately I don't know any contacts( may be you can help me?:)
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