Precise Jtac Grid Chords.

[Lupo Solitario]

Hi i want to know if it's possible to have precise coordiates from the jtac. I mean not AAxxxxxx but AAxxxxxxxxx

Thanks!

 

[5e EVC Chappy]

Yes. It's a 10 digit instead of 6

[maxTRX]

Yes. It's a 10 digit instead of 6

 

Well, my AI JTAC must've been behind the curve last night. I had 'precise' boxed but he only gave me 6 digit grid, so... I had to un-box it. I'll double check later on.

[BarTzi]

 

Well, my AI JTAC must've been behind the curve last night. I had 'precise' boxed but he only gave me 6 digit grid, so... I had to un-box it. I'll double check later on.

 

I don't think boxing or unboxing it will change anything. The JTAC is another system. The coordinates the JTAC gives you are not affected by boxing precise.

[hein22]

JTAC will give you the target area, never expect from them a spot on point for a 1 meter drop.

[maxTRX]

JTAC will give you the target area, never expect from them a spot on point for a 1 meter drop.

 

All right, let's throw in some far fetched scenarios: You're the only one on station and all you have is JDAM, no Tpod. JTAC has precise grid for you to punch in, there's some more...:D

[hein22]

 

All right, let's throw in some far fetched scenarios: You're the only one on station and all you have is JDAM, no Tpod. JTAC has precise grid for you to punch in, there's some more...:D

 

Not sure what you meant there, not a native english speaker here who might not catch a joke.

 

If that happens then you find the specific target yourself and type it in. I don't think jtacs have the tools to determine a 10 digit point with elevation in 3d space. Plus it is not their job.

[maxTRX]

 

Not sure what you meant there, not a native english speaker here who might not catch a joke.

 

If that happens then you find the specific target yourself and type it in. I don't think jtacs have the tools to determine a 10 digit point with elevation in 3d space. Plus it is not their job.

 

It's not a joke, it's just a 'green grin' and yes, they do.

[Yoda967]

It's fairly easy to enter three dimensional GPS coordinates into your jet, but not that easy to actually get those three dimensional coordinates with the level of precision necessary to deliver the weapon. Here's a link to a good (and unfortunately fairly lengthy) explanation of the process and equipment between the spotter in the field and the pilot in the jet: https://devilofhistory.wordpress.com/2016/03/15/between-sensor-and-shooter-the-point-positioning-data-base-part-one/

[maxTRX]

It's fairly easy to enter three dimensional GPS coordinates into your jet, but not that easy to actually get those three dimensional coordinates with the level of precision necessary to deliver the weapon. Here's a link to a good (and unfortunately fairly lengthy) explanation of the process and equipment between the spotter in the field and the pilot in the jet: https://devilofhistory.wordpress.com/2016/03/15/between-sensor-and-shooter-the-point-positioning-data-base-part-one/

 

Well, I certainly didn't analyze the historical perspective, more like current day dacas gadgets. Heck, you can get your ATAK for android (not the civy stuff) and with proper database and interconnected optics, multi-freq. boxes, etc. you can work out pretty good detail. Also, it makes a difference where the JTAC is and what net is he linked up to. There's a lot of variables and I'm not an expert;)

For most scenarios you just need to point the jet's sensors in the right direction and/or talk.

[Yoda967]

Gripes, I wasn't offering the historical perspective in the article, but the procedural aspects of it. Getting the effects you want from a GPS-guided weapon (i.e. getting the weapon on target) is not easy.

 

A key point here: 6-digit grids are 10-digit grids with the 4th, 5th, 9th, and 10th digits truncated for the sake of brevity. JTAC gives only the digits you need to get the job done. (I'm sure YOU know this, but there may be some who don't or haven't considered it.)

 

I agree completely with your point that you can take the 6-digit grids from the JTAC as a cue for the jet's onboard sensors, and that's really the limit of the DCS JTAC in its current form.

 

Is it unrealistic that he doesn't (or can't, as programmed) provide 10-digit grids? Not at all. All of the DCS JTAC's engagements are Bomb-On-Target, meaning the pilot has to see the target in order to engage. The JTAC's coordinates aren't necessarily the target, they're telling you where to look for targets, regardless of the number of digits in the provided grid coordinates. (If anyone's ever had a default JTAC call for Bomb-On-Coordinates, I'd love a copy of the mission.)

 

The addition of grid coordinate entry in the Hornet doesn't give us the ability to go around plinking tanks with JDAMs and JSOWs, it just means that the default JTAC's Line 4 is no longer gibberish.

 

[maxTRX]

Gripes, I wasn't offering the historical perspective in the article, but the procedural aspects of it. Getting the effects you want from a GPS-guided weapon (i.e. getting the weapon on target) is not easy.

 

A key point here: 6-digit grids are 10-digit grids with the 4th, 5th, 9th, and 10th digits truncated for the sake of brevity. JTAC gives only the digits you need to get the job done. (I'm sure YOU know this, but there may be some who don't or haven't considered it.)

 

I agree completely with your point that you can take the 6-digit grids from the JTAC as a cue for the jet's onboard sensors, and that's really the limit of the DCS JTAC in its current form.

 

Is it unrealistic that he doesn't (or can't, as programmed) provide 10-digit grids? Not at all. All of the DCS JTAC's engagements are Bomb-On-Target, meaning the pilot has to see the target in order to engage. The JTAC's coordinates aren't necessarily the target, they're telling you where to look for targets, regardless of the number of digits in the provided grid coordinates. (If anyone's ever had a default JTAC call for Bomb-On-Coordinates, I'd love a copy of the mission.)

 

The addition of grid coordinate entry in the Hornet doesn't give us the ability to go around plinking tanks with JDAMs and JSOWs, it just means that the default JTAC's Line 4 is no longer gibberish.

 

got it

[Dragon1-1]

You can use the 10-digit entry when flying with a human FAC in an A-10, for example. Then you can have Bomb-On-Coordinates attacks and all that. Also, mission makers can set up their own trigger-based JTAC that would provide this.