Leg2ion Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 Hi All, Just getting back into this, and have now built myself what I think to be a pretty good system. Went for: Asus X570-f MB AMD 5600X CPU 32Gb (2 x 16GB) Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 500GB Firecuda 510 (Boot Drive) 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD 2TB Samsung 860 EVO M2 SSD MSI 3070 Suprim X OC (Before anyone points out I have PCIe3 drives in a PCIe4 board - I know - my mistake when ordering!) HOWEVER - still the dreaded stutter! I had RamCache III installed, Armour Crate? along with other various 'stuff' from the installation discs that come with MB. These have now been uninstalled as no value added - in my mind anyway. So - in the absence of hard and fast tweaks - the majority seeming to be a mixture of very long videos, black magic, dark arts and pure luck depending on set up - I spent a few hours playing with settings. Set Nvidia Control Panel on stock settings, and then set up a simple free flight over Nevada, and flew around. What I did notice was that the FPS (CNTRL&PAUSE/BREAK) would be around 120 FPS, then every few seconds dip to 38 - 40 - causing the jitter. Vsync - either in game or Control Panel - no change - still a discernible micro stutter - which admittedly did seem to lessen the longer the flight. Initially went through the DCS Control Panel settings - starting on low and working my way up. No difference whatsoever. I went though every Nvidia CP setting one at a time - same again. Some settings did help reduce it - but it was still there - albeit liveable with -but this is a new PC right - and you want things to work. So after exhausting all the various control panel options - I retired...but then began looking at the MSI website, and its downloadables. 'Dragon Center' - never seen it before, never heard of it - but give it a go - so installed it. Load of selections that I will never routinely use - but there is a 'User Scenario' option - Extreme Performance, Balance and Silent, plus user optimisation. So, selected 'Extreme' - went back into DCS - rock steady - absolutely no jitters/stutters whatsoever. Problem I do have is that I have no idea what that selection did/has done. Uninstalled it - all good. Re-installed it - went back to Balanced - jitters. So it is obviously doing something in the background - but I have not got any idea what. Reselected 'Extreme' and have now un-installed Dragon Center - and DCS is still rock solid. I now have everything cranked to max -and average around 110FPS with no jitters. Did also replace Ramcache with Samsung Magician (after the faffing), and then selected Rapid Mode for the DCS installation drive - which makes a massive improvement to the drive speed and load times - not that it was slow. Anyway - hope the above is of help to someone/anyone - and if anyone does know what Dragon Center actually does to settings please do tell. AMD Ryzen 5 5600X; ASUS ROG Strix X570-F, Corsair Vengeance 64 GB (2x 32GB) 3600MHz; Seagate FireCuda 510 500GB M.2-2280 (OS); Samsung 860 EVO 2TB M.2-2280 (DCS); MSI GeForce RTX 3090 SUPRIM X 24GB OC GPU. TM Warthog Hotas; T.Flight Pedals; DelanClip/Trackhat.
Toad McFrog Posted April 5, 2021 Posted April 5, 2021 On 3/11/2021 at 9:04 AM, Leg2ion said: 'Dragon Center' - never seen it before, never heard of it - but give it a go - so installed it. Load of selections that I will never routinely use - but there is a 'User Scenario' option - Extreme Performance, Balance and Silent, plus user optimisation. So, selected 'Extreme' - went back into DCS - rock steady - absolutely no jitters/stutters whatsoever. Problem I do have is that I have no idea what that selection did/has done. Uninstalled it - all good. Re-installed it - went back to Balanced - jitters. So it is obviously doing something in the background - but I have not got any idea what. Reselected 'Extreme' and have now un-installed Dragon Center - and DCS is still rock solid. I now have everything cranked to max -and average around 110FPS with no jitters. Did also replace Ramcache with Samsung Magician (after the faffing), and then selected Rapid Mode for the DCS installation drive - which makes a massive improvement to the drive speed and load times - not that it was slow. Anyway - hope the above is of help to someone/anyone - and if anyone does know what Dragon Center actually does to settings please do tell. I think you might have just become my new personal hero, Leg2ion. I had tried everything under the sun to fix my annoying stutters, and this did it for me as well. I created an account just to reply and say "Thank you!"
Leg2ion Posted April 6, 2021 Posted April 6, 2021 12 hours ago, Toad McFrog said: I think you might have just become my new personal hero, Leg2ion. I had tried everything under the sun to fix my annoying stutters, and this did it for me as well. I created an account just to reply and say "Thank you!" Glad to be of help @Toad McFrog! After a bit more research and digging I have noticed that the Dragon Center overclocks your graphics card (assuming you have MSI GPU?) and also gives the option of 'Ultimate' power settings which it had defaulted to over the stock 'High' settings. Also have a feeling it overclocks the CPU as it also installs a Ryzen SDK - but couldn't see any noticeable differences. The biggest difference on High/Ultimate appears to be that it defaults your minimum and maximum processor power to 100%. As a test completely wiped my drives - re-installed Windows and DCS (extreme but new build so not a lot installed), then selected advanced power options to High without using DC - same effect - no jitter/stutter. When turned back to balanced - stutters. Thing I am now trying to reduce is the shimmering buildings. I can completely eliminate it if I have both X2 MSAA and X2 SSAA selected inside DCS - any deviation from this and I get shimmer. It appears any changes made in Nvidia Control Panel have no tangible affect. AMD Ryzen 5 5600X; ASUS ROG Strix X570-F, Corsair Vengeance 64 GB (2x 32GB) 3600MHz; Seagate FireCuda 510 500GB M.2-2280 (OS); Samsung 860 EVO 2TB M.2-2280 (DCS); MSI GeForce RTX 3090 SUPRIM X 24GB OC GPU. TM Warthog Hotas; T.Flight Pedals; DelanClip/Trackhat.
Toad McFrog Posted April 6, 2021 Posted April 6, 2021 5 hours ago, Leg2ion said: Glad to be of help @Toad McFrog! After a bit more research and digging I have noticed that the Dragon Center overclocks your graphics card (assuming you have MSI GPU?) and also gives the option of 'Ultimate' power settings which it had defaulted to over the stock 'High' settings. Also have a feeling it overclocks the CPU as it also installs a Ryzen SDK - but couldn't see any noticeable differences. The biggest difference on High/Ultimate appears to be that it defaults your minimum and maximum processor power to 100%. As a test completely wiped my drives - re-installed Windows and DCS (extreme but new build so not a lot installed), then selected advanced power options to High without using DC - same effect - no jitter/stutter. When turned back to balanced - stutters. Thing I am now trying to reduce is the shimmering buildings. I can completely eliminate it if I have both X2 MSAA and X2 SSAA selected inside DCS - any deviation from this and I get shimmer. It appears any changes made in Nvidia Control Panel have no tangible affect. Great info, @Leg2ion. I was kind of iffy about the use of DC since it seems kind of sketchy, but you can't argue with the results. I'm guessing that I could play around with using DC to put it back to "balanced" (and uninstalling it) and then using the W10 power settings as you have. Thanks again!
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